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Agreed. Any outlet and the wires leading to it should be protected by a fuse or circuit breaker. Your PacHy will draw less current than a 1875-watt hair dryer.
... for 16 hours.

Your going to use up to double the kWh to charge at 120v. Save money, be safer and step up to a Level2 charger.

EV’s where not intended to use the 120v charger everyday. It’s inconvenient, wasteful and was intended as a backup - like a spare tire.

An EVSE doesn’t have to be $1000 unit, there are plenty available cheap at different charge rates.

It has been recorded that the slowest rate of charge uses on average 20kWh of electricity and the fastest rate the PacHy charges at utilizes around 10-12kWh to accomplish the same task.

Should be clear you’ll be paying for it anyway so choose an acceptable charge time and do the safe thing and avoid overloading your sockets.

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... for 16 hours.

Your going to use up to double the kWh to charge at 120v. Save money, be safer and step up to a Level2 charger.

EV’s where not intended to use the 120v charger everyday. It’s inconvenient, wasteful and was intended as a backup - like a spare tire.

An EVSE doesn’t have to be $1000 unit, there are plenty available cheap at different charge rates.

It has been recorded that the slowest rate of charge uses on average 20kWh of electricity and the fastest rate the PacHy charges at utilizes around 10-12kWh to accomplish the same task.

Should be clear you’ll be paying for it anyway so choose an acceptable charge time and do the safe thing and avoid overloading your sockets.
I didn’t know about the inefficiency of the Level 1 charger. What is the explanation for that?

Since he lives in an apartment there may be no possibility of having access to 240v for charging unless he can strike some sort of deal with the landlord. All I was mentioning is that if you have an outlet wired for 15A and assuming the apartment was wired according to code then you should have no problem drawing up to 15A all day long from that socket.

But I do agree with you that a Level 2 charger is the way to go if you have access to a 240V circuit. If you can afford to buy a PacHy you should be able to afford an inexpensive Level 2 charger.

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... for 16 hours.

Your going to use up to double the kWh to charge at 120v. Save money, be safer and step up to a Level2 charger.

EVís where not intended to use the 120v charger everyday. Itís inconvenient, wasteful and was intended as a backup - like a spare tire.

An EVSE doesnít have to be $1000 unit, there are plenty available cheap at different charge rates.

It has been recorded that the slowest rate of charge uses on average 20kWh of electricity and the fastest rate the PacHy charges at utilizes around 10-12kWh to accomplish the same task.

Should be clear youíll be paying for it anyway so choose an acceptable charge time and do the safe thing and avoid overloading your sockets.
At worst, a level 1 might use 20% more energy to fill the battery. Typically it will use the exact same amount. Not sure where you heard that it uses twice as much.

Also, there's nothing wrong with using only a level 1 charger. The only real reason to use a level 2 charger is shorter charge time. For someone that will only ever plug in at the end of the day for overnight charging, a level 2 is a waste of money.

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Since we're talking about Level 2 chargers, are any of them limited in output? The PacHy will charge up to 6.6kWh. I just assumed a Level 2 would charge at the highest rate but maybe some are limited to 3.3kWh.

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Since we're talking about Level 2 chargers, are any of them limited in output? The PacHy will charge up to 6.6kWh. I just assumed a Level 2 would charge at the highest rate but maybe some are limited to 3.3kWh.
Level 2 chargers are offered at many different amp ratings. The smallest are typically 16 amp, which will charge at roughly 3.3-3.6 kW. You would need a 32 amp charger (or larger) to get the fastest chargewith the Pacifica.

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Level 2 chargers are offered at many different amp ratings. The smallest are typically 16 amp, which will charge at roughly 3.3-3.6 kW. You would need a 32 amp charger (or larger) to get the fastest chargewith the Pacifica.
What about just using a 240v plug adapter with the OEM EVSE? There have been reports it can handle it. Won't be as fast as 6.6 (or even 3.3) but still better than 120v at 12 amps.

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Not sure where you heard that it uses twice as much.
Lots of folks think that because 220 volts uses half the amps to do the same work, its uses half the energy.
However, because Volts X Amps = watts, half the amps at twice the voltage equals identical wattage.
Your electric bill is based on watts used.
220 volts x 20 amps = 4400 watts
110 volts x 40 amps = 4400 watts

How fast the van will charge is a different issue.

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What about just using a 240v plug adapter with the OEM EVSE? There have been reports it can handle it. Won't be as fast as 6.6 (or even 3.3) but still better than 120v at 12 amps.
It would be 240v at 12 amps, which would be slightly less than 3kW.

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It would be 240v at 12 amps, which would be slightly less than 3kW.
Which would be faster than 120v at 12 amps?

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Which would be faster than 120v at 12 amps?
Should be almost exactly twice as fast. Watts = volts x amps.

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