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battery to gas switch

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I have a 2018 PacHy and curious as to why pacifica has been designed to run on battery for first 31 miles and then use gas. Instead it would have been great if the design was to run on battery in city (based on speed <30 or some number) or run on gas when you hit 50+. What would have been amazing is if user can choose between running gas first vs battery first.

Maybe the feature is there and I dont know how to invoke it.
Could you please help?
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Hi folks,
I have a 2018 PacHy and curious as to why pacifica has been designed to run on battery for first 31 miles and then use gas. Instead it would have been great if the design was to run on battery in city (based on speed <30 or some number) or run on gas when you hit 50+. What would have been amazing is if user can choose between running gas first vs battery first.

Maybe the feature is there and I dont know how to invoke it.
Could you please help?
Yes, it would be nice if you were able to make that choice but unfortunately Chrysler did not give us that option. Itís not a terrible thing though. Fuel is fuel whether itís electricity or gasoline. Electricity is generally cheaper and/or more efficient than gasoline. But it really doesnít matter that much where you use that electricity whether it be in city traffic or out on the highway.
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Yes, it would be nice if you were able to make that choice but unfortunately Chrysler did not give us that option. Itís not a terrible thing though. Fuel is fuel whether itís electricity or gasoline. Electricity is generally cheaper and/or more efficient than gasoline. But it really doesnít matter that much where you use that electricity whether it be in city traffic or out on the highway.
The third year Volt got the EV/ICE toggle. It was one of the biggest complaints from the first two year owners and GM listened.

However, someone mentioned that the Volt operated in a different manner so I don't know if it's possible to have the ICE/EV toggle on the PacHy with the different operating system.

Maybe someone can chime in with information on other PHEVs (Honda Clarity, for example) and if they have the EV/ICE toggle. If no other PHEVs have the toggle, it would go a long way to vindicating FCA's decision not to have it on the PacHy.

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The Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV has such a switch.
You can turn on CHARGE mode, which uses the ICE to charge the battery up to 80% in 40 minutes.
Then switch back to EV mode and drive the next 22 miles.

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Prius Prime also has a EV/HV switch and charge mode too.


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The Hybrid was designed to be seamless and automatic, having a switch is neither. Would be great to have though.
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or run on gas when you hit 50+.
ICE will run when you drive 80+
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The third year Volt got the EV/ICE toggle. It was one of the biggest complaints from the first two year owners and GM listened.

However, someone mentioned that the Volt operated in a different manner so I don't know if it's possible to have the ICE/EV toggle on the PacHy with the different operating system.

Maybe someone can chime in with information on other PHEVs (Honda Clarity, for example) and if they have the EV/ICE toggle. If no other PHEVs have the toggle, it would go a long way to vindicating FCA's decision not to have it on the PacHy.
My 2014 Ford C-Max Energi PHEV has a button to toggle from EV to gas (the Fusion Energi has this as well, and I believe both models had it from launch). You don't have to use this feature - you can leave it in "Auto" - but drivers like me who want to use the limited EV capacity efficiently will find themselves using it all the time.

As I have been researching the Pacifica, it's been surprising to me that Chrysler didn't engineer this feature in. As you noted, it's proven popular in other vehicles, and buyers coming from another brand will miss it.
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My 2014 Ford C-Max Energi PHEV has a button to toggle from EV to gas (the Fusion Energi has this as well, and I believe both models had it from launch). You don't have to use this feature - you can leave it in "Auto" - but drivers like me who want to use the limited EV capacity efficiently will find themselves using it all the time.

As I have been researching the Pacifica, it's been surprising to me that Chrysler didn't engineer this feature in. As you noted, it's proven popular in other vehicles, and buyers coming from another brand will miss it.
If it's accurate to say that most (if not all) other PHEVs have the ICE/EV toggle, there is an explanation as to why FCA left it off the PacHy (albeit not a very good one).

It's not unheard of in the auto industry to 'hold back' features for future models. GM was very adept at this marketing tactic. It's quite possible that's exactly what FCA has done; they're saving the ICE/EV switch for new and improved upcoming PacHys.

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I had a 2013 Volt, and it indeed did have the “Hold Mode” that would place any remaining charge on the battery in reserve (I.e. forces itself into Extended Range Mode which uses the onboard gas generator to keep the battery at a constant state of charge). I suppose it’s a nice-to-have feature, but in practice I never used it. I was too focused on avoiding burning any gas if at all possible, and this option worked against that goal. &#x1f609;

I don’t know if this plays into the design decision to not offer a similar option on the PacHy, but my understanding is that while the Volt gets all its propulsion from the electric motor only, the PacHy is always driven by the electric motor and sometimes by the gas motor (based on driving conditions). Meaning that you would never not want the electric motor engaged, since the gas motor is there for assist and not full time operation. Does that make sense?
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