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    • * CHECK THE LEVEL OF YOUR PACIFICA'S ENGINE COOLANT OFTEN! TOP OFF WITH MOPAR MS-12106 COOLANT. * *
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Hi Everyone.

On January 19, 2022 I created a post entitled "Let's talk about those few engine failures in Pacificas." On October 26, 2022 I edited the title of the post to remove the word "few."

What follows is a list of users on just this forum who have reported failed head gaskets leading to loss of coolant and, in some cases, the necessary replacement of engines. As of this original posting, the count is 57 125. There are similar horror stories in different groups on Facebook. Most failures occurred after the 5-year/60,000 Chrysler powertrain warranty expired, often just after the warranty expired.
2017Browns
2017cassie
abegottlieb
achoksi
AJW
AmyLynn
AndrewS
Anne Chapmann
Anthony B
Apix
apnar
April423
ashishsmith
BlueNinja
blutooth
bmcdaniel
BNBott
Bradaclarke
brendenreed1
Brillokc
Bryan5145
btigner12
C Jkson
C-Daddy
califpacifica
Candleholder
carrdoor
celticcharisma
Cj18
Conner Lynch
Cpowell71
dadbod
dcloes
ddrewitz
DJLisso
DMD
eronc
Famof4
garik
Gerhart
gmfreak
GmnBrian
jacobhubson
jasontripp1975
jeremu
jimbodude44
JimO
jmorg111
johncweymouth1
jolsbean13
JPRATT 62
Jrr1901
jsandgren10
juancarguhernan
katiepuhr
Kimberly P
KimCoulter
king4trav
KS05
KYTeacher
Kuds18
laspic
lcmrc
Legroom1611
liknepp
lineback79
Lipster
LisaC
Lynn Hyatt
lynnP27
MarkMM
Mark_R
masteron
Matthew Westra
Meeks306
MerZukerborg
MicheleMoore514
mikepacificasandiego
MLiliana
mm574
mp77
mpm808
mrshakenbake
munchers65
ncmitchell7
ngandhi
Nossa
NWChryslerDad
omg3kids
Otterk
Pacifica Brian
pacificalife2022
pacificat
PACS
Peabody
Pbio1
Pthora
Queen.Bee.Ros
Raquelzinha
reyaom
Rliss
Robby rob
Rrevans
rrjnmeyer
Ryankaufmann
SAKMAN
Sea_of_Tranquility
sethmeisterg
showtm490
sj1469
Speedy-SRT
spmatus
Steve Poff
svuki
teji.catia
Tjhawk
troopertim
Tpuig83
uscuba2
UTheMan218
vdubpower
Wesg1989
Whatyamacallme02
Zalagator
Z-Fam

If you happen to come across this post and see your user name on the above list, please file a complaint with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) if you have not already done so by clicking here. An engine that overheats and becomes inoperable is indeed a safety defect, especially in a vehicle advertised for families with kids.

Hopefully your report, along with the numerous reports of others, will induce the agency to investigate this issue thoroughly and put their pressure on Chrysler to issue a recall or provide an extended warranty to make fixes for free with no deductible or diagnostic fees, and provide reimbursement to all who have had to pay out of pocket for repairs.

@ChryslerCares, feel free to pass this to upper management with the note, "It appears this issue is getting worse by the day and is not going to go away unless we do something meaningful."

Related threads:
Subforum "Chrysler Pacifica News":
Blown head gasket
Chrysler Really Doesn't Care - blown head gasket 58k miles
Blown Motor 2017 6100k

Subforum "New Member Introductions":
2018 Pacifica Limited 65,500 miles Engine block crack. What type new motor should I get?
2017 Pacifica Head Gasket
2018-pacifica-engine-failure-at-77-000-miles

Subforum "2017+ Chrysler Pacifica Minivan General Discussion"
2017 Chrysler Pacifica Cylinder 3 Misfire p303 Error Code
3rd Blown Head Gasket and now a warped cylinder head
Blown head gasket at 50K miles?
Warped Engine Block?!
2018 Pacifica engine issues
2017 Pacifica Cylinder Misfire and Coolant leak
misfire detected - cylinder
Class Action Suit for Motor Replacement
2017 New Engine Needed
2017 Chrysler Pacifica Touring - Gas Car 68K Mileage - Engine Failure
Polling those with Pacifica engine failure
2018 Chrysler Pacifica Head Gasket
P305 Misfire
What Hidden Features Have Discovered In Your Pacifica

Subforum "2017+ Pacifica PHEV Hybrid Batteries and Charging":
Ziegler Hybrid Warranty Coverage (this post refers to gas version)

Subforum "Chrysler Pacifica Minivan Issues and Problems":
At 70,000 miles Dealer says new engine
Coolant leaking into cylinders
2018 Blown Head Gasket
Cylinder Misfire Problem (P0305) Suggestions and More Disappointment from Dealership/Chrysler
Rough Idle and Misfire P0303 After Recall Software Update
2017 Pacifica Misfire P0306
New engine recommended at 52k miles = $13k repair
Cylinder-misfire-p0304-aCylinder Misfire (PC0304) and Coolant Reservoir nearly empty
2017 with 45,000 has sludge in engine extended warranty won't cover it
Premature engine failure
2017 Pacifica Head Gasket
Blown head gasket at 68k miles. $4000 repair. Avoid these vans!
Think That I Am Looking At Coolant Concern
Oil Analysis To Help Understand Head Gasket/Engine Failure Issue

Subforum "Engine and Technical Discussion":
Let's talk about those engine failures in Pacificas?
Any Reported 2019+ Head Gasket Issues?
Am I going to be another engine statistic?
Engine/Head Gask
Low Coolant Level....
2018 Chrysler Pacifica Cylinder 6 Misfire
Videos about having to add engine coolant to Pacificas

Subforum "Chrysler Pacifica Minivan Recalls":
So over the start/stop feature! Broke again!

Note: @PacificaMinivanFan is "Following" each of the above threads and is notified via site alert and e-mail when someone adds another post.
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I am back on Pacificaforums after spending 3 weeks trying to work with Chrysler Cares. I originally posted on "2018 Pacifica Engine Failure at 77,000 Miles", but then Chrysler Cares asked me to contact them privately. They dilly-dallied around for 3 weeks before telling me there is nothing else they can do regarding our engine failure at 77,000 miles. I see they have done the same to others--ask them to contact them privately and then ultimately tell them they won't help. So it appears they just want to get us off Pacificaforums, because there are so many of us who have experienced premature engine failure.

One poster on this site seemed to say a 1 in 100 failure is to be expected, but I don't accept that. If the dealer had told me there was a 1 in 100 chance my engine would fail just outside of the warranty, I would never have bought the vehicle to begin with. And the frequency and similarity of these engine failures makes it highly unlikely this is just some random occurrence. This engine has been a problem since 2010, and Chrysler finally had to acknowledge that for the 2010-2013 model years. But they continue to stick their head in the sand for the newer model years, and hope those affected don't band together and force Chrysler to stand behind their product.

Class action litigation is certainly one avenue, but does anybody have thoughts or experience on filing a Small Claims suit for this issue? In our state (Kansas), the process is quite simple and you are not even allowed to utilize an attorney. Just file your claim and see them in court. Chrysler obviously has deep pockets to fight a class action filing, but what if the thousands of us affected by this inundate them with individual but legitimate lawsuits?

The bottom line is there is an obvious flaw in this engine and Chrysler needs to accept responsibility for it, just like they were forced to do earlier. The question is, what can we do to get them to do the right thing???
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I am back on Pacificaforums after spending 3 weeks trying to work with Chrysler Cares. I originally posted on "2018 Pacifica Engine Failure at 77,000 Miles", but then Chrysler Cares asked me to contact them privately. They dilly-dallied around for 3 weeks before telling me there is nothing else they can do regarding our engine failure at 77,000 miles. I see they have done the same to others--ask them to contact them privately and then ultimately tell them they won't help. So it appears they just want to get us off Pacificaforums, because there are so many of us who have experienced premature engine failure.

One poster on this site seemed to say a 1 in 100 failure is to be expected, but I don't accept that. If the dealer had told me there was a 1 in 100 chance my engine would fail just outside of the warranty, I would never have bought the vehicle to begin with. And the frequency and similarity of these engine failures makes it highly unlikely this is just some random occurrence. This engine has been a problem since 2010, and Chrysler finally had to acknowledge that for the 2010-2013 model years. But they continue to stick their head in the sand for the newer model years, and hope those affected don't band together and force Chrysler to stand behind their product.

Class action litigation is certainly one avenue, but does anybody have thoughts or experience on filing a Small Claims suit for this issue? In our state (Kansas), the process is quite simple and you are not even allowed to utilize an attorney. Just file your claim and see them in court. Chrysler obviously has deep pockets to fight a class action filing, but what if the thousands of us affected by this inundate them with individual but legitimate lawsuits?

The bottom line is there is an obvious flaw in this engine and Chrysler needs to accept responsibility for it, just like they were forced to do earlier. The question is, what can we do to get them to do the right thing???
For you to succeed in small claims court, I believe you would need to prove what the actual defect is and, as far as I can tell at least, that is still a secret known only by a few who aren't sayin'.
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Hi Everyone.

On January 19, 2022 I created a post entitled "Let's talk about those few engine failures in Pacificas." On October 26, 2022 I edited the title of the post to remove the word "few."

What follows is a list of users on just this forum who have reported failed head gaskets leading to loss of coolant and, in some cases, the necessary replacement of engines. As of this original posting, the count is 57 115. There are similar horror stories in different groups on Facebook. Most failures occurred after the 5-year/60,000 Chrysler powertrain warranty expired, often just after the warranty expired.
2017Browns
2017cassie
abegottlieb
achoksi
AJW
AmyLynn
AndrewS
Anne Chapmann
Anthony B
apnar
April423
ashishsmith
blutooth
bmcdaniel
BNBott
Bradaclarke
brendenreed1
Brillokc
Bryan5145
btigner12
C Jkson
C-Daddy
califpacifica
Candleholder
carrdoor
Cj18
Conner Lynch
Cpowell71
dadbod
dcloes
ddrewitz
DJLisso
DMD
eronc
Famof4
garik
Gerhart
gmfreak
GmnBrian
jacobhubson
jasontripp1975
jeremu
jimbodude44
JimO
jmorg111
johncweymouth1
jolsbean13
JPRATT 62
Jrr1901
jsandgren10
juancarguhernan
katiepuhr
Kimberly P
KimCoulter
king4trav
KS05
KYTeacher
laspic
lcmrc
Legroom1611
liknepp
lineback79
LisaC
Lynn Hyatt
lynnP27
MarkMM
Mark_R
masteron
Matthew Westra
Meeks306
MerZukerborg
MicheleMoore514
mikepacificasandiego
MLiliana
mm574
mpm808
mrshakenbake
munchers65
ncmitchell7
ngandhi
Nossa
NWChryslerDad
omg3kids
Otterk
Pacifica Brian
pacificalife2022
pacificat
PACS
Peabody
Pbio1
Pthora
Queen.Bee.Ros
Raquelzinha
reyaom
Rliss
Robby rob
rrjnmeyer
Ryankaufmann
sethmeisterg
showtm490
sj1469
Speedy-SRT
spmatus
Steve Poff
svuki
teji.catia
Tjhawk
troopertim
Tpuig83
UTheMan218
vdubpower
Wesg1989
Whatyamacallme02
Zalagator
Z-Fam

If you happen to come across this post and see your user name on the above list, please file a complaint with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) if you have not already done so by clicking here. An engine that overheats and becomes inoperable is indeed a safety defect, especially in a vehicle advertised for families with kids.

Hopefully your report, along with the numerous reports of others, will induce the agency to investigate this issue thoroughly and put their pressure on Chrysler to issue a recall or provide an extended warranty to make fixes for free with no deductible or diagnostic fees, and provide reimbursement to all who have had to pay out of pocket for repairs.

@ChryslerCares, feel free to pass this to upper management with the note, "It appears this issue is getting worse by the day and is not going to go away unless we do something meaningful."

Related threads:
Subforum "Chrysler Pacifica News":
Blown head gasket
Chrysler Really Doesn't Care - blown head gasket 58k miles
Blown Motor 2017 6100k

Subforum "New Member Introductions":
2018 Pacifica Limited 65,500 miles Engine block crack. What type new motor should I get?
2017 Pacifica Head Gasket
2018-pacifica-engine-failure-at-77-000-miles

Subforum "2017+ Chrysler Pacifica Minivan General Discussion"
2017 Chrysler Pacifica Cylinder 3 Misfire p303 Error Code
3rd Blown Head Gasket and now a warped cylinder head
Blown head gasket at 50K miles?
Warped Engine Block?!
2018 Pacifica engine issues
2017 Pacifica Cylinder Misfire and Coolant leak
misfire detected - cylinder
Class Action Suit for Motor Replacement
2017 New Engine Needed
2017 Chrysler Pacifica Touring - Gas Car 68K Mileage - Engine Failure
Polling those with Pacifica engine failure
2018 Chrysler Pacifica Head Gasket
P305 Misfire

Subforum "2017+ Pacifica PHEV Hybrid Batteries and Charging":
Ziegler Hybrid Warranty Coverage (this post refers to gas version)

Subforum "Chrysler Pacifica Minivan Issues and Problems":
At 70,000 miles Dealer says new engine
Coolant leaking into cylinders
2018 Blown Head Gasket
Cylinder Misfire Problem (P0305) Suggestions and More Disappointment from Dealership/Chrysler
Rough Idle and Misfire P0303 After Recall Software Update
2017 Pacifica Misfire P0306
New engine recommended at 52k miles = $13k repair
Cylinder-misfire-p0304-aCylinder Misfire (PC0304) and Coolant Reservoir nearly empty
2017 with 45,000 has sludge in engine extended warranty won't cover it
Premature engine failure
2017 Pacifica Head Gasket
Blown head gasket at 68k miles. $4000 repair. Avoid these vans!


Subforum "Engine and Technical Discussion":
Let's talk about those engine failures in Pacificas?
Any Reported 2019+ Head Gasket Issues?
Am I going to be another engine statistic?
Engine/Head Gask
Low Coolant Level....
2018 Chrysler Pacifica Cylinder 6 Misfire



Subforum "Chrysler Pacifica Minivan Recalls":
So over the start/stop feature! Broke again!
Saw my name on the list! Filed a complaint with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). I do hope Chrysler does something about this.
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I'm pretty sure I just narrowly avoided this problem on my 2018 non-hybrid Touring Plus with 200 miles left on the 5 year/60k powertrain warranty. I checked my coolant level on Tuesday and the bottle was completely empty. Had to order the coolant from Amazon because my local dealer was completely out of both the 50/50 mix and the concentrate. The van hadn't overheated at all up to the point so I drove it Wednesday and Thursday while closely monitoring the engine temps. Coolant arrived Thursday evening and on Friday morning, after the engine had completely cooled off overnight, I added coolant, and it took 2/3 of a gallon. I took it through the car wash later that morning and immediately noticed a coolant smell. I ended up trading it in that evening (yesterday, 5/12) for a 2023 Subaru Ascent (we got $18k for the trade in). The van also needed a front left strut because of the worn out mount issue and the transmission had been randomly slamming into gear for the past 20k miles.

My wife and I (and my daughter) are extremely bummed we had to let go of the Pacifica. We had less than $2500 left on the loan and were looking forward to no car payments as we had hoped to keep it for at least 10 years, plus we all really liked it. Chrysler wasn't interested in figuring out why the transmission was shifting so hard and with the strut issue we were questioning whether or not it would be a good idea to keep it, although I wasn't opposed to replacing the strut myself, but the extremely low coolant level and smell was the final straw.

Thank you to everyone for the discussion on this issue and to those of you keeping track of the engine failures as you saved me, and probably others, from having to deal with a potentially catastrophic failure. I just hope the dealership doesn't clean it up and put it right back on the lot as-is for some poor unknowing soul to buy, only to have the engine fail shortly after purchase. If that happens, I REALLY hope they have a warranty that covers it.
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I took our 2017 Pacific in last week for a check engine light. They did a "tune up" and replaced the spark plugs. Two days later the light came back on. Now they are telling me there is coolant in cylinder 5 and it will cost thousands to fix. The van has 114,000 miles on it. I see now that this is a common problem with these vans and it seems I'm lucky it did not happen sooner. Has anyone had any luck in getting Chrysler to take responsibility for this?
I took our 2017 Pacific in last week for a check engine light. They did a "tune up" and replaced the spark plugs. Two days later the light came back on. Now they are telling me there is coolant in cylinder 5 and it will cost thousands to fix. The van has 114,000 miles on it. I see now that this is a common problem with these vans and it seems I'm lucky it did not happen sooner. Has anyone had any luck in getting Chrysler to take responsibility for this?
Not until there's a class action. Best you can hope for is good will but you're not even close to the 60,000 mile mark.
I took our 2017 Pacific in last week for a check engine light. They did a "tune up" and replaced the spark plugs. Two days later the light came back on. Now they are telling me there is coolant in cylinder 5 and it will cost thousands to fix. The van has 114,000 miles on it. I see now that this is a common problem with these vans and it seems I'm lucky it did not happen sooner. Has anyone had any luck in getting Chrysler to take responsibility for this?
Hi mp77. I've added your username to the list in post #1. The total is now up to 116. As regards assistance from Chrysler, the idea behind post #1 is to get Chrysler to recognize that this issue is getting more and more attention that will soon negatively affect its reputation and, therefore, sales. While it is improbable that Chrysler will issue a recall on these engines, there is a chance that the company will extended the powertrain warranty for everyone and reimburse those who have already paid for repairs and produce their receipts.
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The total is now up to 116.
If .01% of Pacifica owners are on this forum, that's 116,000 engines that have failed due to this manufacturer defect.
Hi mp77. I've added your username to the list in post #1. The total is now up to 116. As regards assistance from Chrysler, the idea behind post #1 is to get Chrysler to recognize that this issue is getting more and more attention that will soon negatively affect its reputation and, therefore, sales. While it is improbable that Chrysler will issue a recall on these engines, there is a chance that the company will extended the powertrain warranty for everyone and reimburse those who have already paid for repairs and produce their receipts.
Thank you!
2018 Touring L with P0303 error check engine. 69k miles. Taking to dealership tomorrow for diagnose. Mexico engine. Bad feeling in pit of stomach.
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That's 117/.01= 117,000

I suspect the real number is closer to > quarter of a million engines.
That's 117/.01= 117,000

I suspect the real number is closer to > quarter of a million engines.
Yes, unfortunately the REAL number is most assuredly much, much higher. The current 117 only reflects failed engines reported by members of this illustrious forum, a small percentage of the overall Pacifica owner population.
FYI, more info, no overheat was indicated and coolant levels at nominal levels throughout 4 + years of ownership. Diligent oil changes/fluids with Mopar spec'd fluids. We actually use the old school log in the owner's manual to keep track.

At the dealer currently after throwing P0303 codes yesterday (17May2023).
Did notice an ESS system unavailable prior Sun/Mon (14/15th). I usually disable the ESS automatically at startup (muscle memory). It's possible the ESS system checklist noticed something before the Van diags did. ESS won't engage if there's not a clean checklist on vehicle start. I hate ESS so much, but both my batteries are less than 1 year old, and we checked the voltages after ESS warning.

Has anyone reported a solution to this misfire with less than a head (or worse) replaced?

2018 Touring L with P0303 error check engine. 69k miles. Taking to dealership tomorrow for diagnose. Mexico engine. Bad feeling in pit of stomach.
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FYI, more info, no overheat was indicated and coolant levels at nominal levels throughout 4 + years of ownership. Diligent oil changes/fluids with Mopar spec'd fluids. We actually use the old school log in the owner's manual to keep track.

At the dealer currently after throwing P0303 codes yesterday (17May2023).
Did notice an ESS system unavailable prior Sun/Mon (14/15th). I usually disable the ESS automatically at startup (muscle memory). It's possible the ESS system checklist noticed something before the Van diags did. ESS won't engage if there's not a clean checklist on vehicle start. I hate ESS so much, but both my batteries are less than 1 year old, and we checked the voltages after ESS warning.

Has anyone reported a solution to this misfire with less than a head (or worse) replaced?
They may have but suspect it is throwing good money after bad.

This is just another unfortunate example that it's bad luck due to manufacturer defect. A percentage of Pentastar engines will grenade on a regular schedule and there's nothing you can do about it.
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FYI, more info, no overheat was indicated and coolant levels at nominal levels throughout 4 + years of ownership. Diligent oil changes/fluids with Mopar spec'd fluids. We actually use the old school log in the owner's manual to keep track.

At the dealer currently after throwing P0303 codes yesterday (17May2023).

Has anyone reported a solution to this misfire with less than a head (or worse) replaced?
Please search the Forum for P0303 to read the experiences of others with that code..

A tell for blown head gaskets is loss of fluid from the engine coolant reservoir. Since the reservoir in your Pacifica is still full, it could be something else such as a bad coil or spark plug (or ?).

I have not yet added your username to the list of those with engine failures. Please let us know what your dealer concludes. Thx.
Please search the Forum for P0303 to read the experiences of others with that code..

A tell for blown head gaskets is loss of fluid from the engine coolant reservoir. Since the reservoir in your Pacifica is still full, it could be something else such as a bad coil or spark plug (or ?).

I have not yet added your username to the list of those with engine failures. Please let us know what your dealer concludes. Thx.
I intend to update and describe experience. Right now dealer says $195 for diagnose. But won't get to vehicle in the next couple days due to backlog.:(
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Welp.
Service diagnose results from a text system from dealer:

Recommend Replace Right Bank cylinder head $4582.40
Coolant System service $261.05 (no description of what this entails)
Complete 3 way fuel system service 307.95 (no description of what this entails)
Brake system fluid service $160.14. (No issues with braking on vehicle)

I think the fuel system and brake system items are possibly BS.

Coolant system service probably related to cylinder head.

Unbelievable. 4 + year old and 69K vehicle.
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Welp.
Service diagnose results from a text system from dealer:

Recommend Replace Right Bank cylinder head $4582.40
Coolant System service $261.05 (no description of what this entails)
Complete 3 way fuel system service 307.95 (no description of what this entails)
Brake system fluid service $160.14. (No issues with braking on vehicle)

I think the fuel system and brake system items are possibly BS.

Coolant system service probably related to cylinder head.

Unbelievable. 4 + year old and 69K vehicle.
Sorry yours is another statistic. Here's hoping you can be made whole through a future class action lawsuit for whatever manufacturer defect has resulted in very consistent failures.
Sorry yours is another statistic. Here's hoping you can be made whole through a future class action lawsuit for whatever manufacturer defect has resulted in very consistent failures.
Oh, I'm IN on that if it happens.
FYI, more info, no overheat was indicated and coolant levels at nominal levels throughout 4 + years of ownership. Diligent oil changes/fluids with Mopar spec'd fluids. We actually use the old school log in the owner's manual to keep track.

At the dealer currently after throwing P0303 codes yesterday (17May2023).
Did notice an ESS system unavailable prior Sun/Mon (14/15th). I usually disable the ESS automatically at startup (muscle memory). It's possible the ESS system checklist noticed something before the Van diags did. ESS won't engage if there's not a clean checklist on vehicle start. I hate ESS so much, but both my batteries are less than 1 year old, and we checked the voltages after ESS warning.

Has anyone reported a solution to this misfire with less than a head (or worse) replaced?
Please report to the NHTSA:

Report a Vehicle Safety Problem, Equipment Issue | NHTSA


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