I chose a honda odyssey ex-l in 2017 because the pacificas were brand new and dealers were adding ridiculous prices to the msrp. Now I can not wait to sell my Hond and get a Pacifica with the advanced safety package, sunroof and stow and go. Very tired of lifting very heavy seats and leaving them in my garage if I need extra space at anytime, let alone always having to plan in advance. Furthermore Honda has the basic Safety features, but nothing like the advanced safety package. Just thought I'd give you a different perspective.