2017+ Chrysler Pacifica Minivan Forums banner

1 - 20 of 30 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
46 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
After holding back in 2017 and 2018 in hopes of a full electric large people mover, we were prepared to buy a pacifica this year as it appears the Portal and others may still take a while.

Looked around and have a good deal on a 2018 limited hybrid new 43500 after tax and title. In researching in preparation to buy saw the issues with the fires and photo of the burnt car. Also, learned that this vehicle had the U73 and U94 recalls - fixed in 2018. Now getting hesitant- anyone with 2018 pacifica hybrid with fixed U73 and U94 have advice. Given recent events, would guys still buy a pacifica hybrid?

It also appears chyrsler consumer service has done a poor job in handling and investigating fire cases that could have had potential lethal complications. Are you guys concerned about this as well.

Look forward to seeing your replies and advice
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,859 Posts
We don't really need yet another fire thread without any new data to discuss. Are you planning to keep the car for a long time? A 2018 has been sitting on the lot for a year or so, the traction battery was likely fully charged or fully discharged- both undesirable for a long term storage. It is hard to tell if the price is good without knowing the sticker and the price before tax and title. Does your van has the Advanced Safety Package?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
689 Posts
Still buy it? Unequivocal yes.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
27 Posts
If you worry about the fire, just think about Tesla.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
46 Posts
Discussion Starter #6
Thanks for the input. Yes sitting on lot for a year. The sticker was 48300 with rebates 37500 something- dealer tint, theft, paint coat- 40k + tax
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
193 Posts
If fire is truly a concern maybe pass on the hybrid version. Our gas only version gets really good milage especially on long trips, and has been problem free (not counting recalls).
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
502 Posts
After holding back in 2017 and 2018 in hopes of a full electric large people mover, we were prepared to buy a pacifica this year as it appears the Portal and others may still take a while.

Looked around and have a good deal on a 2018 limited hybrid new 43500 after tax and title. In researching in preparation to buy saw the issues with the fires and photo of the burnt car. Also, learned that this vehicle had the U73 and U94 recalls - fixed in 2018. Now getting hesitant- anyone with 2018 pacifica hybrid with fixed U73 and U94 have advice. Given recent events, would guys still buy a pacifica hybrid?

It also appears chyrsler consumer service has done a poor job in handling and investigating fire cases that could have had potential lethal complications. Are you guys concerned about this as well.

Look forward to seeing your replies and advice
Think of it this way. If you had just read a couple of newspaper articles about wood frame houses catching fire recently would that prevent you from buying a wood frame house? If your house burnt to the ground would you say, “I’m never gonna live in a wood frame house again.”?

Is it possible that some have signed up to this forum simply because they’ve had a bad experience and want to air their grievances? When you see a user name with “fire” as part of the name that’s most likely what has happened. Ask yourself how many PacHy drivers out there are going merrily about their way without a care in the world and they’ve never even heard about these forums. My guess is that a disproportionate number of people with axes to grind have signed up to these forums to tell us their stories. And that’s ok. I don’t mind hearing about these sorts of things. Just keep in mind that the information you’re seeing here is unfortunately not indicative of what the average owner is experiencing.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
689 Posts
If fire is truly a concern maybe pass on the hybrid version. Our gas only version gets really good milage especially on long trips, and has been problem free (not counting recalls).
I couldn't disagree more.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
46 Posts
Discussion Starter #11
I’d be leery of buying a 2018 due to the battery being unmaintained for a year or more. That’s not a fire issue, but a battery longevity issue.


What is the required maintenance for the battery? I think the warranty starts at day of ownership


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
46 Posts
Discussion Starter #12
I couldn't disagree more.


We’re climate change oriented family, so the gas version would be against our philosophy. My wife has a fairly short daily commute and we are hoping not to use much gas but have the flexibility on longer trips. Tesla X is well out of our range. We used to own a toyota sienna, and our son loves the minivan


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
585 Posts
What is the required maintenance for the battery? I think the warranty starts at day of ownership
He is talking about the 12 volt battery. The van's electronics create a constant drain of about 25 milliamps on the 12 volt battery when it is just sitting parked and asleep. That is enough to drain the battery down completely in about two months if it isn't driven or charged, less if the doors are opened and closed by prospective buyers. To compensate for that the van is designed to wake up every three weeks to recharge the 12 volt battery from the high voltage motive battery. But if the high voltage battery is left in a discharged state then that can't happen and the 12 volt battery will eventually die. So the question is, did the dealer ever charge the motive battery? Did they ever take it for a drive for an hour or so? Doing either of those things will keep the 12 volt battery healthy, but letting the van sit on the showroom floor or out in the lot is not good for it.

You are right about the warranty being for 3 years starting from the day you drive it off the lot. But with a weak battery you may be left stranded somewhere, unable to get the car into run mode, just a few days after you have bought it. That has happened to several people.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
585 Posts
We’re climate change oriented family, so the gas version would be against our philosophy. My wife has a fairly short daily commute and we are hoping not to use much gas but have the flexibility on longer trips. Tesla X is well out of our range. We used to own a toyota sienna, and our son loves the minivan
I am very glad to hear that you care about climate change. The scenario you describe is just right for this van. You can use it as a daily driver, going weeks or even months between gas fill-ups, but then you can also go on a long road trip without any range anxiety. Watch this recent video by Tom Voelk. It might convince you to take a chance on the lesser reliability of the Pacifica compared to other vans.

 

·
Registered
Joined
·
46 Posts
Discussion Starter #15
He is talking about the 12 volt battery. The van's electronics create a constant drain of about 25 milliamps on the 12 volt battery when it is just sitting parked and asleep. That is enough to drain the battery down completely in about two months if it isn't driven or charged, less if the doors are opened and closed by prospective buyers. To compensate for that the van is designed to wake up every three weeks to recharge the 12 volt battery from the high voltage motive battery. But if the high voltage battery is left in a discharged state then that can't happen and the 12 volt battery will eventually die. So the question is, did the dealer ever charge the motive battery? Did they ever take it for a drive for an hour or so? Doing either of those things will keep the 12 volt battery healthy, but letting the van sit on the showroom floor or out in the lot is not good for it.



You are right about the warranty being for 3 years starting from the day you drive it off the lot. But with a weak battery you may be left stranded somewhere, unable to get the car into run mode, just a few days after you have bought it. That has happened to several people.


Thank you for this! I will ask that the 12 volt
Be checked before driving out.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
46 Posts
Discussion Starter #16
I am very glad to hear that you care about climate change. The scenario you describe is just right for this van. You can use it as a daily driver, going weeks or even months between gas fill-ups, but then you can also go on a long road trip without any range anxiety. Watch this recent video by Tom Voelk. It might convince you to take a chance on the lesser reliability of the Pacifica compared to other vans.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAY0FG6zo4A


Like the video. We bought our pacifica.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
415 Posts
What is the required maintenance for the battery? I think the warranty starts at day of ownership


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I’m not just talking about the 12v battery, but the high-voltage battery, too. My experience with a variety of high-performance batteries in my hobbies has formed my opinion. Batteries that sit unmaintained (meaning not at a proper level of charge for being idle for long periods) don’t last as long or perform as well.

I have no faith in dealerships to properly maintain the correct storage charge in batteries. It’s a large part of why I passed on buying a 2018 when I bought my van in March. Yes, there’s a warranty. Batteries sometimes experience total failure, which a warranty is great for. That slow degradation that impacts range and efficiency every day is what I wanted to avoid.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
585 Posts
I’m not just talking about the 12v battery, but the high-voltage battery, too. My experience with a variety of high-performance batteries in my hobbies has formed my opinion. Batteries that sit unmaintained (meaning not at a proper level of charge for being idle for long periods) don’t last as long or perform as well.

I have no faith in dealerships to properly maintain the correct storage charge in batteries. It’s a large part of why I passed on buying a 2018 when I bought my van in March. Yes, there’s a warranty. Batteries sometimes experience total failure, which a warranty is great for. That slow degradation that impacts range and efficiency every day is what I wanted to avoid.
I am less concerned about maintaining a proper storage charge level on the motive battery even though I too fly electric R/C planes. My reason is that when the dashboard says you are at 0% the battery is not in fact fully discharged. It keeps some charge in reserve for use in gas hybrid operations. There is a long discussion about this in another thread which I can't find right now, but the key fact is that if you measure the kwh sent to the battery during a full charge cycle from 0% to 100% it is only 13 kwh whereas the battery is rated at 16 kwh. Also my ChargePoint charger tells me that the charge current does not taper off at the end of the charge cycle. It just stops abruptly. This makes me think that it never gets close enough to the max voltage for a lithium cell to require switching from constant current to constant voltage mode.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
7 Posts
I would have to imagine some people would test drive it as well, or the dealer even use it to haul people from time to time, give out as a loaner, etc...I would also tend to believe the Hybrid battery has a much longer warranty, at least it should. Here in CA, they are picky about that kind of stuff and it would be like 10 years on the hybrid battery, but not the 12 volt engine battery. Our hybrid Escape was that way, and while we did nothing special to it, and we bought it used, that car never had a battery issue of any kind for the 8 years we had it. We traded it in at 10 years old with like 150,000 miles.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,331 Posts
I am less concerned about maintaining a proper storage charge level on the motive battery even though I too fly electric R/C planes. My reason is that when the dashboard says you are at 0% the battery is not in fact fully discharged. It keeps some charge in reserve for use in gas hybrid operations. There is a long discussion about this in another thread which I can't find right now, but the key fact is that if you measure the kwh sent to the battery during a full charge cycle from 0% to 100% it is only 13 kwh whereas the battery is rated at 16 kwh. Also my ChargePoint charger tells me that the charge current does not taper off at the end of the charge cycle. It just stops abruptly. This makes me think that it never gets close enough to the max voltage for a lithium cell to require switching from constant current to constant voltage mode.
Theres always the less popular approach to
consider.

Why try so hard to make it last for 12years (maybe) and be out of warranty when the battery dies; and therefore paying for a very expensive battery.. when you can just use it how you want.

If doing what you want is “not good” for the battery then it wont last the warranty life and you’ll get another one in like 8years for free.

If the engineers did their job then anything short of letting it rot should last the 10years
 
1 - 20 of 30 Posts
Top