Stock shocks are fine, had the dealership put the stock springs back on so they could test/check the shocks, all was well. The ride was rough with a full load. The springs already compress a lot with just the van, adding passengers you feel the bumps in the road and the paint too. Did you know you can feel paint on the road, its thick. I finally decided to take them off after moving from florida to california. With a van fully loaded and packed to the brim it was a bumpy ride. Ultimately chose stock ride comfort over the aesthetic of being lowered.