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We have been considering the PHEV........but


(1) It will save diddly on gas given our area - maybe $10 a month


(2) It does get around 31-32 mpg though with our driving patterns (or so says the calculator at the EPA fuel mileage website) and my current wagons get 30-34mpg


(3) It has a huge amount of cargo space


But the big problem is will this thing leave me stranded on certain trips?


FOr example, in May I have to make a trip that is 640 miles each way. While at the event, it will be doing another 40-50 miles a day. This all takes place over 7 -8 days.


Total mileage over 7-8 days of 1460 -1500 miles


There will NOT BE anywhere to plug it in. NONE.


No charger at the hotel, No charger at the event site (there all day from 8AM - 6PM)


Nearest charging station (Level 2) is 45 minutes each way from the event. And it is ONLY open during regular business hours --- exactly when I am at the event


No way can I get anywhere to charge. Taking it to charge and a taxi back to the event (and then reverse that to go back and get it) is NOT an option --- not with 3 100lb dogs who with me to show.






It has to do the 7-8 day trip and nearly 1500 miles WITHOUT getting recharged. Other times it will 600-1000 miles of travel over 5-6 days - and no place to charge.


So here is the question - Can the PHEV do that?
 

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You obviously did NOT notice -- I said TRIP - as in NOT HOME and as in NO PLACE TO CHARGE IT


By the time I get to the event, the battery will be drained nearly totally.


And the question is whether - when the battery pack is drained and not recharged -will the bloody thing start?


Chrysler couldn't give me an answer. All they could say was the battery charge will last 21 days with light use and they didn't know for sure but that they guessed that, on that 1500 mile trip with NO recharging, it has a 60% of starting and a 40% chance of leaving me stranded


So has ANYONE had one of these make that kind of 1100-1500 mile trip over 5-8 days and NOT recharged it and still had it start and run?
 

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Consider this vehicle as a true HEV with a Plug.

You will forfeit the all electric function if you choose not to charge the vehicle which is its biggest advantage - But it never needs to be plugged in.

EV’s are opposite gas vehicles for efficiency for city/hwy useage.

If you choose to use an electrified vehicle mostly on the highway, then you will be arguably no better off than a gas vehicle.. but you can manage upwards of 10x the economy in the worst city traffic and short trip journeys where gas vehicles perform worst.

You might want to consider the potential benefit when your not on long haul trips where this vehicle shines. And accept long hauls as a wash.

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Ps: download PlugShare app. You might be surprised the coverage these days.
 

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It’s a hybrid, fella. You don’t have to charge it. There’s a big honking gasoline engine under the hood. You’re operating under some very wrong assumptions about how it works.

How sexist you are..... "fella"...... talk about assumptions!


And CHRSYLER are the ones who said it can leave me stranded if not charged........


Looks like you are wrong
 

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Consider this vehicle as a true HEV with a Plug.

If you choose to use an electrified vehicle mostly on the highway, then you will be no better off than a gas vehicle.. but you’ll can manage upwards of 10x the economy in the worst city traffic and short trip journeys where gas vehicles perform worst.


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According to the EPA calculator for plug in vehicles, it should get around 32mpg on gas


As I said, it won't save squat on gas because of our area - so NOT a city, 40 miles round trip to the large grocery store (and only 6 miles of that is at less than 55 mph with 5 stop lights), 47 miles round trip to Home Depot etc


Gorgeous here - get 1,500,000 tourists every summer but you drive - drive long distance for stuff on 55mph roads (not highway). Normal errand day with 5-9 stops is 64-70 miles. It is 15 miles round trip at 55mph to go to the post office and even a gas station.


The ONLY appeal is that the gas mileage (gas not electric) is around 31--32 vs the regular Pacifica at an appalling 19-28.




So why is Chrysler saying that if I take it on that 1500 mile trip without recharging it there is a very very good chance it will NOT START and I'll be sitting at Purina Farms in MO at 6PM at night with 3 huge dogs and with St Louis and help an hour away??


If the battery recharged from the gas engine (as does Prius) enough to keep it starting and running, then there would be no need for a plug!
 

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How sexist you are..... "fella"...... talk about assumptions!


And CHRSYLER are the ones who said it can leave me stranded if not charged........


Looks like you are wrong
Chrysler told you that? Is that in written format? Can you repost it here please, and let us know who gave you that wrong info?
Lot of us here are Pacifica hybrid drivers and can assure you 100% that the vehicle does not need to be charged if you don't want to, just fill it up with regular gas and it drives like a regular car.
 

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So why is Chrysler saying that if I take it on that 1500 mile trip without recharging it there is a very very good chance it will NOT START and I'll be sitting at Purina Farms in MO at 6PM at night with 3 huge dogs and with St Louis and help an hour away??


If the battery recharged from the gas engine (as does Prius) enough to keep it starting and running, then there would be no need for a plug!
The point of the plug is that unlike the Prius, you have the option to drive the Pacifica substantially on electricity alone, if you are able to recharge it frequently. That's the difference between a simple "hybrid" and a "plug-in hybrid". Who at Chrysler told you the vehicle wouldn't start if you didn't plug it in?
 

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How sexist you are..... "fella"...... talk about assumptions!


And CHRSYLER are the ones who said it can leave me stranded if not charged........


Looks like you are wrong
I don’t think ‘he’ is being sexist. He had a 50/50 chance and he got it wrong. But he was not wrong at all as far as his comments on the PHEV. If you’d quit being so sensitive about whether he is sexist or not you would find his comments spot on.
 

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You can drive as far as you would like without charging there is no limit. My guess is since Chrysler said 21 days that they are talking about the 12 volt battery not the HV battery. Any time the van is turned on it will recharge the 12 volt whither it running on battery or gas. If it hasn’t been on for 21 days it will recharge the 12 volt battery from the HV battery. So no problem with the 21 days either. When the HV battery is at 0% it’s not dead and has more than enough charge to keep the 12 volt battery charged and start the gas engine.

If you charge it at home I think you will be surprised how much gas you save. A charge is 33 miles per Chrysler I get a little less in the winter but more in the summer so the 33 miles is probably about average Every time you charge it you will save about a gallon of gas.
 

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This car can go and operate anywhere and everywhere a regular gas Pacifica can go. The only thing you will lose by not charging is - pure electric operation, as already stated by multiple members “. This is not a Tesla which can get you stranded if you don’t charge it. Just go ahead and do your thingy like any other gas Pacifica , and enjoy the hybrid savings while in city traffic.
Oops.... was I sexist too. ....???


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You obviously did NOT notice -- I said TRIP - as in NOT HOME and as in NO PLACE TO CHARGE IT


By the time I get to the event, the battery will be drained nearly totally.


And the question is whether - when the battery pack is drained and not recharged -will the bloody thing start?


Chrysler couldn't give me an answer. All they could say was the battery charge will last 21 days with light use and they didn't know for sure but that they guessed that, on that 1500 mile trip with NO recharging, it has a 60% of starting and a 40% chance of leaving me stranded


So has ANYONE had one of these make that kind of 1100-1500 mile trip over 5-8 days and NOT recharged it and still had it start and run?
First of all, could it be considered sexist to call a Pacifica Hybrid a ‘bloody thing’?

Secondly and most importantly, you should probably realize that the PacHy would work just fine for you despite what ‘Chrysler’ said. You can run the bloody thing as a standard hybrid 100% of the time without ever charging it up if you want. The fact is that you wouldn’t benefit that much from it being a hybrid given the facts of your circumstances. The van really shines if you live in town and make a lot of short trips of perhaps ten miles or less.

If you live in a rural area as you have stated, it is probably not worth the extra money you would pay for the PHEV over the standard gas version of the van. I live in town and even without plugging it in I can get up to 30 mpg driving around town on short stop ‘n’ go trips. My previous van, a 2002 Honda Odyssey, got about 14 mpg with the same mission. Using electric mode I fare even better.
 

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Consider this vehicle as a true HEV with a Plug.

If you choose to use an electrified vehicle mostly on the highway, then you will be no better off than a gas vehicle.. but you’ll can manage upwards of 10x the economy in the worst city traffic and short trip journeys where gas vehicles perform worst.
According to the EPA calculator for plug in vehicles, it should get around 32mpg on gas

The ONLY appeal is that the gas mileage (gas not electric) is around 31--32 vs the regular Pacifica at an appalling 19-28.
Feel free to believe the EPA calculator. But you’ll get 19-28mpg from the Hybrid if you only drive highway.

Your a pushy one huh? I think you should learn the hard way if you can’t ask owners with a bit of human decency.

So why is Chrysler saying that if I take it on that 1500 mile trip without recharging it there is a very very good chance it will NOT START and I'll be sitting at Purina Farms in MO at 6PM at night with 3 huge dogs and with St Louis and help an hour away??


If the battery recharged from the gas engine (as does Prius) enough to keep it starting and running, then there would be no need for a plug!
Dealers don’t know crap about these vehicles and will lie to you. Your best chance for facts is this forum.
 

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@onthelake, if you do mostly highway driving in rural areas, you really are not the customer the plug-in hybrid was designed for. Seriously consider a gas vehicle.

If you find 19-28 mpg appalling, you might want to consider a smaller, lighter vehicle.

In any event, some of your assumptions indicate a novice misunderstanding of hybrids, and plug-ins in particular. Please take what we have related to you here seriously. What you "learned" at the dealer was incorrect (but that is surprising to no one :D ).

So, welcome to this forum. We can be very helpful. Ask all the questions you want.
 

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On a two day trip from Michigan to Florida with the van full of ll the stuff we take south for the winter we averaged 27.5 while pushing 80. When traffic picked up in southern Georgia and Florida we slowed to around 70 and milleqge went up to 28.5. No plug in on the way. They do quite well on the road.
 

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Just want to let you know that with the gas version it is not difficult to hit 31mpg on a long highway drive. I’ve done it so many times.


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On a two day trip from Michigan to Florida with the van full of ll the stuff we take south for the winter we averaged 27.5 while pushing 80. When traffic picked up in southern Georgia and Florida we slowed to around 70 and milleqge went up to 28.5. No plug in on the way. They do quite well on the road.
That corresponds almost exactly to our experience last year on our trip from Illinois to Florida with our gas Pacifica, maybe about 1 mpg less. We're going again in late February; of course I'll check it again.
 
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