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I don't see anything in the manual or any obvious spot on the undercarriage. Where are the front and rear jack points for a floor jack? I only see the pinch points on the sides.
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drboom - Here's what little is shown in the repair manual for Pacifica hoisting.

Locations '1' obviously are the normal pinch weld frame locations.
tsax6010 Thanks! I just ordered two of those pinch weld adapters you pointed out.

Locations '2' are your only alternatives. I'll have to get under my van to see exactly what is at those locations. I need safe locations to lift the van and also safe locations to place my jack stands.
 

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drboom - Here's what little is shown in the repair manual for Pacifica hoisting.

Locations '1' obviously are the normal pinch weld frame locations.
tsax6010 Thanks! I just ordered two of those pinch weld adapters you pointed out.

Locations '2' are your only alternatives. I'll have to get under my van to see exactly what is at those locations. I need safe locations to lift the van and also safe locations to place my jack stands.
#2 looks like it is on the other side of the wheels. I don't know how you could get a floor jack in that location even if there was something to lift with. And I wouldn't put the jack stands there to support the vehicle since you would have to climb under way too far to be safe to put them under or take them off.
The pinch welds are pretty wide - maybe there is enough room to lift with the floor jack and then put the jack stand next to it before repeating at the next location.

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If you want to go WAY overkill, you could always just get a QuickJack! :)
Still on my Christmas list! Deciding between 110V or 12V motor versions and 5000 vs 7000.

Eric the Car Guy sure seems to like the 5000. At around 14:53 in the video below it looks like his hydraulic cables were leaking. Did you see any leakage when you changed your tires?

When you disconnect the long hydraulic cables do the ends have valves to seal fluid in?

 

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Still on my Christmas list! Deciding between 110V or 12V motor versions and 5000 vs 7000.

Eric the Car Guy sure seems to like the 5000. At around 14:53 in the video below it looks like his hydraulic cables were leaking. Did you see any leakage when you changed your tires?

When you disconnect the long hydraulic cables do the ends have valves to seal fluid in?
Yeah, I waffled between the 5000 and 7000 and 12v or 110v as well. It's not much more expensive for the 7000, but I really don't need to lift more than 5000 lbs, so I decided it would be better to go with the 5000 and have it easier to move around the garage since it's lighter. The fact that the 7000 was back ordered also helped in that decision. I decided to go with the 110v because it seemed like it would be easier to just plug it into a wall outlet than to pull out jumper cables or an extra battery.

I didn't have any hydrolic leakage at all. The quick connects all have spring valves that seal the ends as soon as they're disconnected. I've read some reviews that describe older fittings that used to leak, but they seem to have completely fixed that with these "zero leak" fittings that they're using now.
 

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I use a pinch weld adapter with my floor jack. Works great. I just used it last night on my Pacifica to put on winter tires.

https://www.amazon.com/Large-Slotted-Universal-Magnetic-Adapter/dp/B01MG9CNUX/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1483108279&sr=8-1&keywords=magnet+pinch+weld+adapter
For snow tire changeover, my floor jack works just fine on the pinch welds. The problem is for oil changes or anything else I need to lift the vehicle and be under it. As I'm sure you are aware, it is extremely unsafe to get under a vehicle with only a floor jack holding it up - jack stands are a requirement.
 

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Very cool device but well in excess of my budget given the limited "wrench" work I do on my cars.

FWIW, I just checked and there is no way to get a jack stand and a floor jack on the same pinch weld. I can't see any other way to get the vehicle in the air with a floor jack and then get jack stands in appropriate locations.

New ideas welcome.

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For snow tire changeover, my floor jack works just fine on the pinch welds. The problem is for oil changes or anything else I need to lift the vehicle and be under it. As I'm sure you are aware, it is extremely unsafe to get under a vehicle with only a floor jack holding it up - jack stands are a requirement.
I only have about 1200 miles, but from what I read here you do not need to jack up the Pacifica for an oil change - just a low profile pan.

Besides tire changes, the only major thing I do myself is brake jobs. For that my plan is to jack up the vehicle with the pinch weld adapter, and once the wheel is off place a jack stand at the "location 2" placement immediately behind the wheel location.

I have had bad luck in the past bending over pinch welds by using just my hydraulic jack. I only use the adapters now as they are cheap and safer insurance.

I would love to get the QuickJac, but over 1k is a lot to throw down for the occasional tire and brake job. Not saying I never will though...
 

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For snow tire changeover, my floor jack works just fine on the pinch welds. The problem is for oil changes or anything else I need to lift the vehicle and be under it. As I'm sure you are aware, it is extremely unsafe to get under a vehicle with only a floor jack holding it up - jack stands are a requirement.
Race ramps, or even a cheapie set of rhino ramps should work fine. I prefer the race ramps due to their long slope and it allows for low profile cars to ride up them. Well worth the investment. It takes longer to pull out the ramps and get the van up there, than it does to change the oil. But its still easier than pulling out the floor jack and set up jack stands.
Oh yeah, and for the pinch welds, a hockey puck and an angle grinder will make a nice pinch weld adapter. You can make the slot as deep or as shallow as you like.
 

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My plan (until I get a QuickJack or equivalent) is to lift at the '1' pinch locations and place jackstands at the '2' locations shown in the repair manual drawing.

The QuickJack has built-in jack stands but I'll likely continue using my own jack stands too.
 

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The QuickJack has built-in jack stands but I'll likely continue using my own jack stands too.
Certainly wouldn't hurt, but I think you'll find that the QuickJack's built-in jack stands are rock solid.
 

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Certainly wouldn't hurt, but I think you'll find that the QuickJack's built-in jack stands are rock solid.
I agree, they do look very solid in the video and I'll bet the QuickJack folks would say the same.

I've spent years warning my son's what I'll do to them if I ever find them under a car without independent safety jacks being in place. They have to show me two totally independent systems protecting their life. For consistency I have to continue this rule with them no matter how well designed the primary lift is. To me the QuickJack safety bar looks like a great backup to the hydraulic actuator or to a blown hose but not necessarily a 100% backup to the rest of the system including pivot points, broken welds, broken axels, etc. I think I am just 'AR' when it comes to my sons getting under their cars because I've spent years and years watching them do really dumb and dangerous things, haha!
 

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I hear ya Brett! My kids aren't old enough to be working on cars quite yet, but I can totally understand being better safe than sorry. My 2 year old sure did like pressing the button to lift the car though!
 

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hmm...just joined because we bought a pacifica at the end of march, and it's due for a tire rotation.....trying to figure out how to get it in the air, I'll need all 4 corners in the air to rotate them.....might have to go over to a buddy's house who has a 2 post lift...
 

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hmm...just joined because we bought a pacifica at the end of march, and it's due for a tire rotation.....trying to figure out how to get it in the air, I'll need all 4 corners in the air to rotate them.....might have to go over to a buddy's house who has a 2 post lift...
Doing a cross pattern rotation at home would be challenging without clear points to put jack stands.

Personally, we only put about 12k a year on our vehicles, so 1 tire rotation a year is all that is typically called for. Since I run winter wheels and tires on my Pacifica about 4 months out of the year in NE Ohio, I just rotate the all seasons and winter tires front to back when swapping - marking their last used position with a wax pen on the inside sidewall when storing for the season. I got in the habit of this with a set of Cooper RS3-A's that were unidirectional and have maintained this method ever since. I have not had any problems with premature or uneven wear over the years.
 

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Because of undercladding (lack of alternate points for Jack stands), I've been getting by doing the tire rotations with two jacks only using the factory jack points. Takes thinking out the order of operations, but can be done that way if you can borrow a second jack.
 

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Location '2' are the tires themselves?

drboom - Here's what little is shown in the repair manual for Pacifica hoisting.

Locations '1' obviously are the normal pinch weld frame locations.
tsax6010 Thanks! I just ordered two of those pinch weld adapters you pointed out.

Locations '2' are your only alternatives. I'll have to get under my van to see exactly what is at those locations. I need safe locations to lift the van and also safe locations to place my jack stands.
Looking at the diagram (Thanks for posting) it looks like Location '2' are actually the tires themselves, not an additional frame location. Does that make sense?
 

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Looking at the diagram (Thanks for posting) it looks like Location '2' are actually the tires themselves, not an additional frame location. Does that make sense?
So far, I've only lifted the Pacifica at the pinch weld locations (1) but with most vehicles I can usually find two safe locations very near the wheels to both lift and also set a safety stand. It can be a challenge. I assumed the pictured "2" locations were actual lift locations but I really don't know for sure. I would like to see and photograph a Pacifica underneath with all the plastic material removed.
 
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