[gmfreak]

Just got an update from Chrysler. Apparently the real reason why they can't book the appointment is that they don't have a level 3 tech available for the teardown. So now Chrysler is searching for a dealer that has a level 3 tech for me to get this taken care of.

 

[BriPac]

Just got an update from Chrysler. Apparently the real reason why they can't book the appointment is that they don't have a level 3 tech available for the teardown. So now Chrysler is searching for a dealer that has a level 3 tech for me to get this taken care of.

Better a level 3 tech than a level 2 tech with 6 fingers

 

[gmfreak]

Better a level 3 tech than a level 2 tech with 6 fingers

Yeah they admitted they won't even touch it.

 

[BriPac]

Yeah they admitted they won't even touch it.

It's a huge job.. What needs to happen is science needs to come up with material in a head gasket that will never fail for all car makers..They put a man on the Moon 55 years ago and built the Titanic 100 years ago, It can be done.

 

[6Gen]

It's a huge job.. What needs to happen is science needs to come up with material in a head gasket that will never fail for all car makers..They put a man on the Moon 55 years ago and built the Titanic 100 years ago, It can be done.

I don't think Titanic is the example you are looking for...

 

[BriPac]

I don't think Titanic is the example you are looking for...

🤣🤣.. Yeah bad analogy I guess, I didn't think about that

 

[gmfreak]

I don't think Titanic is the example you are looking for...

IDK the way I feel about this vehicle and this headache right now it seems pretty fitting. I feel like I've hit the iceberg and I'm waiting to sink right now.

Quick update: Chrysler was able to call around and find a dealer with a level 3 tech available to diagnose once again and repair the issue. I now have an appointment 60 plus miles away set for January 16th. They want me to drop it off the day before so it can sit and be nice and cold for them to diagnose. Hopefully these guys know what they are doing.

 

[gmfreak]

This van must know that it's going into the shop. The check engine light has gone out. Now I just get a start/stop error and a confirmed cylinder 5 misfire but without the CEL. Hopefully it comes back on. I want them to know for sure there is an issue.

 

[gmfreak]

I worked for 10 days straight and I didn't get a chance to check the coolant level. Just filled it today. It was essentially bone dry, Luckily no overheating. Ridiculous. Refilled it once again. I'm up to two gallons of coolant that I'm just wasting out the tailpipe.

 

[PacificaMinivanFan]

Perhaps it is just the camera or the lighting, but the color of the coolant looks off to me. What coolant are you using?

 

[BriPac]

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I worked for 10 days straight and I didn't get a chance to check the coolant level. Just filled it today. It was essentially bone dry, Luckily no overheating. Ridiculous. Refilled it once again. I'm up to two gallons of coolant that I'm just wasting out the tailpipe.

Sadly this is not a good sign. Coolant out the tailpipe is probably gonna be head gasket situation. You need to have a gas compression test on the radiator that detects carbon monoxide and bubbles where combustion gasses are mixing with the coolant. It's basically a large syringe that sucks out coolant and can tell if it has all that junk in it or not and it changes colors if it does Let us know what you find out.... You should only be using Chrysler purple MS12016 coolant also 50/50 mix...

 

[gmfreak]

I'm not doing any further diagnostics on it. It's scheduled for an appointment the 16th with a level 3 tech, which if they are worth anything will immediately know something is off. I shouldn't be losing that much coolant in 10 days and I'm using coolant that's approved for use in this vehicle as well. I ran it by the dealer too. The color is an orangish pink in the reservoir right now with quite a bit of debris honestly. Every time I look at it depending on the light it's a different color. It's being all flushed and refilled when they do the repair. I'm going to make sure of that. I've been using what the dealer recommended off the shelf of Autozone right now. They stated don't worry about the color as much as if it's MS12016 compatible which this is.

I got the same answer from PEAK directly through a question asked on Amazon as well "Thank you for your interest in PEAK OET Extended Life Orange 50/50 prediluted Antifreeze + Coolant for North American vehicles. This product is compatible with FCA/Chrysler MS-12106 which is the 50/50 pre-diluted version. The FCA/Chrysler MS-90032 specifies a concentrated antifreeze + coolant. MS-12106 and MS-90032 are interchangeable with no problem, but our 50/50 formula is already prediluted for your convenience. If you would like to look at our concentrate formula, you can search Amazon Part number B08PC7XZKY in the search bar. If you have any additional questions, always feel free to contact our PEAK technical support team at 1-800-477-5847."

PEAK Coolant

 

[PacificaMinivanFan]

I'm not doing any further diagnostics on it. It's scheduled for an appointment the 16th with a level 3 tech, which if they are worth anything will immediately know something is off. I shouldn't be losing that much coolant in 10 days and I'm using coolant that's approved for use in this vehicle as well. I ran it by the dealer too. The color is an orangish pink in the reservoir right now with quite a bit of debris honestly. Every time I look at it depending on the light it's a different color. It's being all flushed and refilled when they do the repair. I'm going to make sure of that. I've been using what the dealer recommended off the shelf of Autozone right now. They stated don't worry about the color as much as if it's MS12016 compatible which this is.

I got the same answer from PEAK directly through a question asked on Amazon as well "Thank you for your interest in PEAK OET Extended Life Orange 50/50 prediluted Antifreeze + Coolant for North American vehicles. This product is compatible with FCA/Chrysler MS-12106 which is the 50/50 pre-diluted version. The FCA/Chrysler MS-90032 specifies a concentrated antifreeze + coolant. MS-12106 and MS-90032 are interchangeable with no problem, but our 50/50 formula is already prediluted for your convenience. If you would like to look at our concentrate formula, you can search Amazon Part number B08PC7XZKY in the search bar. If you have any additional questions, always feel free to contact our PEAK technical support team at 1-800-477-5847."

PEAK Coolant

Yes, I have seen where Peak and others claim to now make coolant that meets MS00093 certification, but I remain skeptical that they contain the exact additives for corrosion protection found in OEM Mopar coolant. I thought the orange color was to be reserved for HOAT, but it appears that is no longer the case.

Good luck on the 16th. Some Chrysler dealers service makes other than Chrysler (Ford, GM, etc), so it would be good to specify the exact purple Mopar OAT coolant that is required for your Pacifica with the service advisor when you drop it off.

 

[BriPac]

I'm not doing any further diagnostics on it. It's scheduled for an appointment the 16th with a level 3 tech, which if they are worth anything will immediately know something is off. I shouldn't be losing that much coolant in 10 days and I'm using coolant that's approved for use in this vehicle as well. I ran it by the dealer too. The color is an orangish pink in the reservoir right now with quite a bit of debris honestly. Every time I look at it depending on the light it's a different color. It's being all flushed and refilled when they do the repair. I'm going to make sure of that. I've been using what the dealer recommended off the shelf of Autozone right now. They stated don't worry about the color as much as if it's MS12016 compatible which this is.

I got the same answer from PEAK directly through a question asked on Amazon as well "Thank you for your interest in PEAK OET Extended Life Orange 50/50 prediluted Antifreeze + Coolant for North American vehicles. This product is compatible with FCA/Chrysler MS-12106 which is the 50/50 pre-diluted version. The FCA/Chrysler MS-90032 specifies a concentrated antifreeze + coolant. MS-12106 and MS-90032 are interchangeable with no problem, but our 50/50 formula is already prediluted for your convenience. If you would like to look at our concentrate formula, you can search Amazon Part number B08PC7XZKY in the search bar. If you have any additional questions, always feel free to contact our PEAK technical support team at 1-800-477-5847."

PEAK Coolant

Well you're on the right track just get it in there and get it diagnosed soon as you can and if you have to drive it until then keep a close eye on everything don't let it get over 240° at the most.. If you had coolant leaks elsewhere there is obviously better hope but if you have coolant comming out of the tailpipe in significant amounts and you're going through a lot of it 9.5 out of 10 that's going to be your head gasket.. There are Hollow channels and sleeves jackets that are filled with coolant that surround the cylinders and when that head gasket breaches it pushes right out into the exhaust port and out the tailpipe...
Your level 3 guy will definitely get to the bottom of it quite easily it's not hard to diagnose.
I hate to beat a dead horse with coolant as this is probably the least of your worries right now but stick with the Chrysler MS factory purple opaque coolant the book states only use that. Sure other companies will say you can mix it but don't take a chance for $7 more a gallon just head to the dealership.. Much like multi-vehicle transmission fluid that says Chrysler approved you can ONLY use 8-9 speed green Mopar fluid or youl ruin the transmission for example. There are fine tuned specific properties in OEM, other mixed coolants may cause goop and sludge you don't want in years to come if mixed.. Remember this specific coolant also lubricates your water pump bearing and you don't want to take any chances of that wearing out earlier.. Not to mention when you raise the hood you want to see that nice bright purple in the recovery tank its the mark of the new Pacifica, not the old orange or green crap.....

 

[gmfreak]

Well you're on the right track just get it in there and get it diagnosed soon as you can and if you have to drive it until then keep a close eye on everything don't let it get over 240° at the most.. If you had coolant leaks elsewhere there is obviously better hope but if you have coolant comming out of the tailpipe in significant amounts and you're going through a lot of it 9.5 out of 10 that's going to be your head gasket.. There are Hollow channels and sleeves jackets that are filled with coolant that surround the cylinders and when that head gasket breaches it pushes right out into the exhaust port and out the tailpipe...
Your level 3 guy will definitely get to the bottom of it quite easily it's not hard to diagnose.
I hate to beat a dead horse with coolant as this is probably the least of your worries right now but stick with the Chrysler MS factory purple opaque coolant the book states only use that. Sure other companies will say you can mix it but don't take a chance for $7 more a gallon just head to the dealership.. Much like multi-vehicle transmission fluid that says Chrysler approved you can ONLY use 8-9 speed green Mopar fluid or youl ruin the transmission for example. There are fine tuned specific properties in OEM, other mixed coolants may cause goop and sludge you don't want in years to come if mixed.. Remember this specific coolant also lubricates your water pump bearing and you don't want to take any chances of that wearing out earlier.. Not to mention when you raise the hood you want to see that nice bright purple in the recovery tank its the mark of the new Pacifica, not the old orange or green crap.....

It's definitely the head gasket at cylinder number 5. Just getting them to repair it at this point. I'll be sure to have them refill it with the correct coolant an purchase a bottle as a spare as well. OEM specifications are there for a reason though. It's like gasoline. There's minimum requirements and certain gas goes above and beyond while others just meet the bare specifications to be labeled with the specification. Who knows the difference between the coolants, but it'll be fill right. I'm going to actually ask about the transmission as well, but that's down the road. I just need this issue fixed and then off to the other dealer for more repairs from parts they have already ordered. I should mention the closest dealership is 45 minutes away, so I've been making due with the coolant from Autozone right now.

 

[M0Par]

Exactly right. Coolant specs are coolant specs. There's no magic. I use PEAK and once I verified the correct specs haven't thought twice about it.

For example, BMW requires LL01 engine oil and those specs are far more difficult to meet but there are at least 2 oil manufacturers that do. No need to run to BMW every time for an oil change and get hosed on their "special sauce". These are chemicals not the Colonel's special recipe for Kentucky Fried Chicken.

 

[BriPac]

Exactly right. Coolant specs are coolant specs. There's no magic. I use PEAK and once I verified the correct specs haven't thought twice about it.

For example, BMW requires LL01 engine oil and those specs are far more difficult to meet but there are at least 2 oil manufacturers that do. No need to run to BMW every time for an oil change and get hosed on their "special sauce". These are chemicals not the Colonel's special recipe for Kentucky Fried Chicken.

That's okay you're entitled to your opinion and with these head gasket failures that are happening early you can certainly take a chance with coolants but you're taking a possible risk. Oil is different because oil manufacturers specify as long as it has the MS6395 spec for Chrysler it can be used Penzoil and Valvoline only pretty much. Coolant does not have that spec or certification. Chrysler opaque purple is a specialty coolant and when the dealer and manufacturer say only use that why would you go against them $7 more a gallon it doesn't make sense. Oil is changed every 3 to 5,000 miles whereas coolant doesn't get changed by most for 75,000 miles. If you want to leave something questionable and possibly suspect in your car for 75,000-100k miles be my guest & Happy mixing👍

 

[M0Par]

That's okay you're entitled to your opinion and with these head gasket failures that are happening early you can certainly take a chance with coolants but you're taking a possible risk. Oil is different because oil manufacturers specify as long as it has the MS6395 spec for Chrysler it can be used Penzoil and Valvoline only pretty much. Coolant does not have that spec or certification. Chrysler opaque purple is a specialty coolant and when the dealer and manufacturer say only use that why would you go against them $7 more a gallon it doesn't make sense. Oil is changed every 3 to 5,000 miles whereas coolant doesn't get changed by most for 75,000 miles. If you want to leave something questionable and possibly suspect in your car for 75,000-100k miles be my guest & Happy mixing👍

There's no risk. That's just old Internet wives tales. Remember these are the same guys who built the engine who created the original problem. If they were perfect this thread wouldn't exist and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

[BriPac]

There's no risk. That's just old Internet wives tales. Remember these are the same guys who built the engine who created the original problem. If they were perfect this thread wouldn't exist and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Saying no risk and internet wives tale is just your opinion. Maybe I'll go put in 10w40 oil instead of 0w20 it recommends. Maybe I'll use Autozone Universal Transmission fluid that states Chrysler ok when this transmission takes ONLY takes Green Mopar 8-9 speed specifically. Never go against Chrysler or the manual in sever layman's terms they engineered the motor and you should listen.. Most serious cancers always take the longest time to grow.. Universal and mixing you're always taking a chance

 

[M0Par]

Saying no risk and internet wives tale is just your opinion. Maybe I'll go put in 10w40 oil instead of 0w20 it recommends. Maybe I'll use Autozone Universal Transmission fluid that states Chrysler ok when this transmission takes ONLY takes Green Mopar 8-9 speed specifically. Never go against Chrysler or the manual in sever layman's terms they engineered the motor and you should listen.. Universal and mixing you're always taking a chance

That's not mixing. It's literally the same spec. 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️