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That's not mixing. It's literally the same spec. 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️
If you're doing a complete 100% drain and fill with something else it might be a little better but according to Chrysler it's not the same spec the spec is coming from an outside source and Chrysler says to ONLY use Chrysler... so just use it
 

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If you're doing a complete 100% drain and fill with something else it might be a little better but according to Chrysler it's not the same spec the spec is coming from an outside source and Chrysler says to ONLY use Chrysler... so just use it
Here's the SDS sheet from PEAK and MOPAR coolant. They are literally the exact same ingredients, there's no magic formula from Chrysler and no it won't cause anything to gel up because it is not mixing different kinds of coolant because they are the exact same. This is how old wives tales get started from bad information from those who don't do their homework.

1. Ethylene glycol
2. Diethlyene Glycol
3. Water
4. OAT, aka, Denatonium BenzOATe

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If you're doing a complete 100% drain and fill with something else it might be a little better but according to Chrysler it's not the same spec the spec is coming from an outside source and Chrysler says to ONLY use Chrysler... so just use it
While I am also an advocate of using only Chrysler purple coolant, I can definitely see where there is considerable confusion on the topic, not just here, but in other Internet forums.

Actually, the owner's manual says to use only OAT coolant that is MS90032 certified (without specifying color), so presumably any brand with that specification should work.

But i am concerned. The PEAK Coolant bottle in post# 72 says, "Engineered for use in all vehicles requiring an Organic Acid Technology ORANGE formulation. PEAK has a service life of up to 5 years/150k miles with a complete flush and fill. Also, it meets the performance requirements of ASTM D3306 and D4985."

Just below that in the "Features and Details" section of the Amazon listing it says, "Designed for NORTH AMERICAN VEHICLES: Recommended for use with Ford, Chrysler, and GM vehicles that require an orange organic acid technology."

(Note: The underlines are mine).

Edit: in paragraph above beginning with "Actually...", corrected certification number from MS00093 to MS90032 per owner's manual.
 
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While I am also an advocate of using only Chrysler purple coolant, I can definitely see where there is considerable confusion on the topic, not just here, but in other Internet forums.

Actually, the owner's manual says to use only OAT coolant that is MS00093 certified (without specifying color), so presumably any brand with that specification should work.

But i am concerned. The PEAK Coolant bottle in post# 72 says, "Engineered for use in all vehicles requiring an Organic Acid Technology ORANGE formulation. PEAK has a service life of up to 5 years/150k miles with a complete flush and fill. Also, it meets the performance requirements of ASTM D3306 and D4985."

Just below that in the "Features and Details" section of the Amazon listing it says, "Designed for NORTH AMERICAN VEHICLES: Recommended for use with Ford, Chrysler, and GM vehicles that require an orange organic acid technology."

(Note: The underlines are mine).
The reason for the confusion is the lack of proper spec citing by PEAK combined with a lack of comparison of the SDS data. PEAK simply says it's OAT compatible without specifying what that means. A quick dive into the SDS data shows that all this pearl clutching over Chrysler's magic KFC spices formula is unfounded.
 

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Here's the SDS sheet from PEAK and MOPAR coolant. They are literally the exact same ingredients, there's no magic formula from Chrysler and no it won't cause anything to gel up because it is not mixing different kinds of coolant because they are the exact same. This is how old wives tales get started from bad information from those who don't do their homework.

1. Ethylene glycol
2. Diethlyene Glycol
3. Water
4. OAT, aka, Denatonium BenzOATe

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I applaud your persistence and knowledgeable you looked that up, everyone should but I never said absolutely do not use anything for sure or created some old wives tale out of lack of knowledge, on the contrary I DID do much homework. For every piece of literature out there, there is still confusing material to counteract and conflict it and I still trust NO ONE other than the proverbial owners manual and manufacturers recommendations direct from Chrysler!!
Look up GM's problem 10 to 20 years ago mixing coolants caused heater cores and engines to gum up and fail when other written literature said it was okay, was a class action lawsuit.
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(Use others at your own risk/Don't take a chance/why take a chance/ Use only what Chrysler tells you by their manufacturer)
I am still not changed one bit and would never add anything else including different colors or brands on top of the Chrysler brand... Are you going to run into catastrophic failures if you use peak for 10 years in the new Pacifica that's prone to head gasket failures?? who knows probably not but again my whole point is why take a chance for $7 more a gallon.. Should Chrysler's beautiful purple with its magic ingredients and specific properties be mixed with Auto Zone universal pink orange or green?? Should you cross breed a Chihuahua with a poodle, probably won't hurt anything but why take a chance....Yes don't mix OAT and HOAT at least for starters and most ethylene glycols should mix to some degree..



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I applaud your persistence and knowledgeable you looked that up, everyone should but I never said absolutely do not use anything for sure or created some old wives tale out of lack of knowledge, on the contrary I DID do much homework. For every piece of literature out there, there is still confusing material to counteract and conflict it and I still trust NO ONE other than the proverbial owners manual and manufacturers recommendations direct from Chrysler!!
Look up GM's problem 10 to 20 years ago mixing coolants caused heater cores and engines to gum up and fail when other written literature said it was okay, was a class action lawsuit.
I said:
(Use others at your own risk/Don't take a chance/why take a chance/ Use only what Chrysler tells you by their manufacturer)
I am still not changed one bit and would never add anything else including different colors on top of the Chrysler brand... Are you going to run into catastrophic failures if you use peak for 10 years in the new Pacifica that's prone to head gasket failures?? who knows probably not but again my whole point is why take a chance for $7 more a gallon.. Should Chrysler's beautiful purple with its magic ingredients and specific properties be mixed with Auto Zone universal orange or green?? probably won't hurt anything but why take a chance....Yes don't mix OAT and HOAT at least for starters and most ethylene glycols should mix to some degree..



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Right the directions are given for those who don't want to go through the nightmare that it was to research this stuff. Normal people wouldn't do that but what's normal about being on a forum arguing about coolant anyway? :D:unsure:
 

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Right the directions are given for those who don't want to go through the nightmare that it was to research this stuff. Normal people wouldn't do that but what's normal about being on a forum arguing about coolant anyway? :D:unsure:
Right????....Who needs Oprah🤣
 

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While enjoying some gnocchi, look what I found on the back of the MOPAR Coolant container:
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Then look at the PEAK Coolant container: View attachment 52118

This should help check all the boxes if the SDS didn't already.
Of course, now the flood gates are open the Info just keeps comming in lol...I have to admit that new Peak might be brand new North American stuff I've never seen that before. It's still a universal coolant for other makes to which I tend to shy away from but its probably okay. It's orange though and still hate to mix with the pretty new Pacifica purple trademark though, I just like looking at the purple when I lift the hood in the recovery bottle to.🤪. Still never mix the orange and green though
 

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Yep, my bottle of Mopar coolant says the same as M0PAR's bottle in post #88, including the MS-12106 standard. I wonder... is MS-12106 the same as, or a substitute for, MS-90032?
 

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Yep, my bottle of Mopar coolant says the same as M0PAR's bottle in post #88, including the MS-12106 standard. I wonder... is MS-12106 the same as, or a substitute for, MS-90032?
The MS-12106 is the 50/50 dilution already premixed, the 90032 is the concentrate that you have to mix on your own.
 

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The MS-12106 is the 50/50 dilution already premixed, the 90032 is the concentrate that you have to mix on your own.
Thanks, BriPac. Sorry, but another question for you or M0PAR or anyone: while the (Chrysler) MS12106 coolant shown in post #88 above is compatible with (Ford's) D3306, do we know for sure that (Ford's) D3306 is compatible with (Chrysler's) MS12106? If so, one would think I would be able to find a D3306 or D4985 bottle on eBay or Amazon or anywhere that says it is also compatible with MS12106 or MS90032, but I've had no luck. So far, all I have found are a couple of answers to questions posted by prospective buyers on Amazon that it is compatible, but that brings little assurance.
 

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Thanks, BriPac. Sorry, but another question for you or M0PAR or anyone: while the (Chrysler) MS12106 coolant shown in post #88 above is compatible with (Ford's) D3306, do we know for sure that (Ford's) D3306 is compatible with (Chrysler's) MS12106? If so, one would think I would be able to find a D3306 or D4985 bottle on eBay or Amazon or anywhere that says it is also compatible with MS12106 or MS90032, but I've had no luck. So far, all I have found are a couple of answers to questions posted by prospective buyers on Amazon that it is compatible, but that brings little assurance.
So it turns out that MS12106 or MS90032 are not specs but rather refer to either the concentrated coolant or 50/50 premix. Chrysler's manual makes it appear like an industry standard even though it isn't. ASTM Is the standard.

If you need ASTM D3306 then find yourself a bottle of coolant with that standard and you're good to go.
 

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Thanks, BriPac. Sorry, but another question for you or M0PAR or anyone: while the Chrysler MS12106 coolant shown in post #88 above is compatible with Ford's D3306, do we know for sure that Ford's D3306 is compatible with Chrysler's MS12106? If so, one would think I would be able to find a D3306 or D4985 bottle on eBay or Amazon or anywhere that says it is also compatible with MS12106 or MS90032, but I've had no luck. So far, all I have found are a couple of answers to questions posted by prospective buyers on Amazon that it is compatible, but that brings little assurance.
Its just threading the needle with reverse wording.. Ford used a green ethylene glycol based coolant from 2000 to 2011, then went to the Orange OAT from '11-18 so the Mororcraft D3306 spec should be compatible with MS12106 to a degree frontwards or backwards read.. Ford then went to the yellow
P-OAT ethylene glycol yellow in 2018+ so I'm not entirely sure if the new Ford Yellow is totally compatible with MS12016 though it should be ok because it's Still E Glycol OAT...I'm still not a big fan of cross breading & w/ different colors if you have a Ford 18+ go to the dealer get the new Motorcraft yellow for $7 more a gallon...Thats just me...
 

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Another update: Got the van back today unfixed. They did diagnose the issue; however they don't have a bay available to do an engine teardown right now so they said to take the van until they can book time. The issue is exactly what we thought it was all along. Coolant intrusion into cylinder number 5. They aren't sure if it's the head or the gasket right now that's creating the problem. So in the meantime I'm driving a ticking time bomb. Any input?

In other news I did get a new radio with new firmware finally so I can update the maps. Only been waiting for that since April. Chrysler covered it.
Wouldn't driving it with it leaking coolant into the engine at that rate cause additional engine damage?
 

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Wouldn't driving it with it leaking coolant into the engine at that rate cause additional engine damage?
It depends on how big the leak is and how fast it is growing, but yeah, a leak in a head gasket isn't magically going to get smaller.
 
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Wouldn't driving it with it leaking coolant into the engine at that rate cause additional engine damage?
The dealership gave me the ok. I keep an eye on the coolant level, the temp rarely gets above 200 and it's leaking out the exhaust not into the oil otherwise it would be a different story. I have the oil out of analysis right now just to be sure. I don't really have any other option than to drive it either. At least I have the extended warranty because it's going to be an expensive repair.
 
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The dealership gave me the ok. I keep an eye on the coolant level, the temp rarely gets above 200 and it's leaking out the exhaust not into the oil otherwise it would be a different story. I have the oil out of analysis right now just to be sure. I don't really have any other option than to drive it either. At least I have the extended warranty because it's going to be an expensive repair.
Gotcha. I saw that video on Youtube where, when the mechanic pulled the woman's oil drain plug, the mystery of where all the coolant she'd added was (bottom of the oil pan) was answered and I was thinking that's where yours was going too. Her engine was toast/hydrolocked.
 

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I guess they wouldn’t agree but you could ask if a stop leak product may be okay/advisable and if so which one.
Any sealer is never advisable, that junk will ruin your water pump and clog up the cooling system including your heater core etc,, sadly you just have to bite the bullet and get your gasket replaced the right way especially in a new vehicle
 
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