I just got my 2017 Pacifica in red with white leather seats yesterday. I was going to trade in my 2013 Dodge Grand Caravan for a new Caravan, but they were all gone off the lot for this year. The sales lady suggested I look at the Pacifica, so disappointed, I did. OMG....first I looked at the cloth seat version....nice. Lots more leg room than the Caravan, but not sure. Then I sat in the L version....SOLD! I wanted heated seats and a remote start, so that's what I bought. Yippee!!