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I've noticed that Illinois Chrysler dealers really don't have many PacHy's in stock. They have a full rainbow assortment of gas powered Pacifica's but not many Hybrids.
It's not as though they are pre-selling them and just delivering them when they arrive. Is it a lack of profitability? Are they difficult to maintain in inventory? Is there a lack of interest by vehicle shoppers?
 

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They aren't marketing them very aggressively so a lot of people don't realize that there's a hybrid option. In Georgia, it seems that the dealers only have a couple in stock at any given time too.
 

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Yes, no surprise. FCA sells 10,000 gas pacificas/mo in the US. Conversely, it sells less than 600/mo of PacHys. Given FCA's 2,500+ dealerships nationwide, that means a dealer might see 3 PacHys during the entire year. Throw in a few dealers like Gilroy, Huntington Beach, etc that sell hundreds of PacHys every year, and that means even fewer to go around for the rest of the country.

And absolutely FCA isn't making much on the PacHy. Throw in the HV battery, EV motors, regen braking, PIM, hybrid tranny, HV wiring, HV heat/coolant system, DC-DC converter, charge port, on-board charger, and engineering costs... these are all costs the regular Pacifica does not have. And they're not cheap. And considering the MSRPs are almost equal, it's obvious there are very little margins on the PacHy.

A primary reason for the PacHy's existence is to reduce FCA's exposure to fuel economy requirements, which it's already paying millions in fines for non compliance. If each PacHy reduces its penalties and credit purchases from other manufactures, selling at a loss isn't such a bad idea.

Besides low production, there's also the fact many of the gas trims can be had for much less than even the base PacHy trim. And given the target market of average families, paying $37+k is out of range for most (versus, say, a $24k gasser). But only FCA knows how it's trying to balance the much more profitable gas pacifica with profit, interest, and sales of the PacHy.

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Didn't Waymo order a ton of PacHys? Maybe that's where they are going?
 

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Yes, no surprise. FCA sells 10,000 gas pacificas/mo in the US. Conversely, it sells less than 600/mo of PacHys. Given FCA's 2,500+ dealerships nationwide, that means a dealer might see 3 PacHys during the entire year. Throw in a few dealers like Gilroy, Huntington Beach, etc that sell hundreds of PacHys every year, and that means even fewer to go around for the rest of the country.

And absolutely FCA isn't making much on the PacHy. Throw in the HV battery, EV motors, regen braking, PIM, hybrid tranny, HV wiring, HV heat/coolant system, DC-DC converter, charge port, on-board charger, and engineering costs... these are all costs the regular Pacifica does not have. And they're not cheap. And considering the MSRPs are almost equal, it's obvious there are very little margins on the PacHy.

A primary reason for the PacHy's existence is to reduce FCA's exposure to fuel economy requirements, which it's already paying millions in fines for non compliance. If each PacHy reduces its penalties and credit purchases from other manufactures, selling at a loss isn't such a bad idea.

Besides low production, there's also the fact many of the gas trims can be had for much less than even the base PacHy trim. And given the target market of average families, paying $37+k is out of range for most (versus, say, a $24k gasser). But only FCA knows how it's trying to balance the much more profitable gas pacifica with profit, interest, and sales of the PacHy.

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FCA fuel penalties
Gas Pacifica US Sales
PacHy US Sales
Agree with all the above - except that if you factor in the $7500 tax credit, a Pachy Limited is actually cheaper than a same-equipped Gas Limited. I've done the math every which way and even taking into account the 0% offers for the Gas versions as well as increased incentives for those, the Hybrid wins out.
 

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In Texas, you can get the $7500 Fed credit AND a Tx TCEQ grant for $2500. That's almost $10,000 off the drive-off price. I say "almost" because the TCEQ grant is not a tax rebate, and is thus federally taxable as miscellaneous income. I did this with my Oct 2018 PacHy purchase. It takes 2-3 months after you file the TCEQ papers to get your check. The paperwork was pretty minimal.
 

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Agree with all the above - except that if you factor in the $7500 tax credit, a Pachy Limited is actually cheaper than a same-equipped Gas Limited. I've done the math every which way and even taking into account the 0% offers for the Gas versions as well as increased incentives for those, the Hybrid wins out.
You still can't get HID headlights in the Hybrid. Until the 2019 MY, you couldn't get power folding side mirrors, memory seats, Auto Advance n Return in the Hybrid.
 

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In Texas, you can get the $7500 Fed credit AND a Tx TCEQ grant for $2500. That's almost $10,000 off the drive-off price. I say "almost" because the TCEQ grant is not a tax rebate, and is thus federally taxable as miscellaneous income. I did this with my Oct 2018 PacHy purchase. It takes 2-3 months after you file the TCEQ papers to get your check. The paperwork was pretty minimal.
Yep it's a screaming deal for us in Texas. (Which is weird considering how oil-based this state is, vs electricity.) I just filed this week; am very nervous as there are only 116 rebates available as of this morning. It's supposed to last until May 31st or until 2000 rebates have been claimed.

You still can't get HID headlights in the Hybrid. Until the 2019 MY, you couldn't get power folding side mirrors, memory seats, Auto Advance n Return in the Hybrid.
I wonder why they continue to piece-meal options to the Hybrid. My work fleet got a '17 Hybrid when they came out, fully optioned and I was shocked that there was no memory seats and Homelink. It took two model years for both of those to appear. Still no HIDs.

What is Auto Advance n Return?
It's an easy access function available for memory seats - when you shut the car off, it slides the seats back automatically for easy exit. When you start it, it goes back to where you last had it. Really neat.
 

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I was waiting for HID's but then decided to order a '19 without them. I don't do much rural driving anymore so I'm hoping I'll be OK without them.
 

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It's an easy access function available for memory seats - when you shut the car off, it slides the seats back automatically for easy exit. When you start it, it goes back to where you last had it. Really neat.
Close, that's the "Easy Entry/Exit" feature. "Auto Advance 'n' Return" is where you can press a button on the B-pillar to move either front seat all the way forward to ease access to the middle row, then press it again to move the seat back to normal. I find it useful for installing car seats or removing/reinstalling middle row seats.
 

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Close, that's the "Easy Entry/Exit" feature. "Auto Advance 'n' Return" is where you can press a button on the B-pillar to move either front seat all the way forward to ease access to the middle row, then press it again to move the seat back to normal. I find it useful for installing car seats or removing/reinstalling middle row seats.
Curses, foiled by FCA Marketing-speak. Thanks

Same, I love both. I like using AAnR for when my kids climb into their car seats, especially since the EE/E feature backs up my driver's seat all the way back.
 

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Close, that's the "Easy Entry/Exit" feature. "Auto Advance 'n' Return" is where you can press a button on the B-pillar to move either front seat all the way forward to ease access to the middle row, then press it again to move the seat back to normal. I find it useful for installing car seats or removing/reinstalling middle row seats.
I thought that feature was available only on the gas vans to help with the middle seat stowage. It doesn't seem to have much practical use on Pachy.
 

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I thought that feature was available only on the gas vans to help with the middle seat stowage. It doesn't seem to have much practical use on Pachy.
The middle seat in he hybrid sits a little bit forward of where it does in the gasser. When you have car seats in the middle row, its very difficult for an adult to get into the rear seats. I end up manually sliding a seat forward and then backwards in my '17 to let people in and out. When we had a rental gasser, it was surprsing how much more room there was between the first and second rows.

I really wish I had this feature.
 

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I had a hard time finding a good deal in downstate Illinois so I found one at a dealership in California, had it professionally shipped and still came out $2500 ahead of the best deal in the state! They have tons of them in Cali!
 

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I've noticed that Illinois Chrysler dealers really don't have many PacHy's in stock. They have a full rainbow assortment of gas powered Pacifica's but not many Hybrids.
It's not as though they are pre-selling them and just delivering them when they arrive. Is it a lack of profitability? Are they difficult to maintain in inventory? Is there a lack of interest by vehicle shoppers?
I think there are a few factors going on. First, many people don’t want to give up the Stow-&-Go second row seats which is a huge feature of the Pacifica. Second, this is a PHEV and a big benefit to that is plugging it in and getting up 32 miles on electricity alone, but many folks either don’t have that convenience of a plug nearby or just don’t want to bother. Thirdly, here in California most of our electricity is from “clean” sources (hydro-electricity), not so in many other areas in the east and mid-west. And the consumer cost, while not cheap, is often less than other parts of the country.

BTW; I just checked the dealer nearby us where I got my gas 2017 Pacifica Limited and they currently have 9 PHEVs in stock (Tuttle-Click Chrysler in Irvine, CA - Orange County). But then we are a huge target market for EVs and PHEVs. Teslas and EVs in general are very common here.
 

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Here in the Minneapolis area there are only a handful of Hybrids in stock, none of which are priced very well. I think it’s likely that I’ll end up traveling out east to buy one.
 

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Take away the government subsidies and see how many are available then. Probably a lot. Or just wait 10 years from now and you will be able to buy a used one for $1,000.
 
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