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Well, today was the day that I wished I had a spare tire in my PacHy. Was on my way home with the family and decided to make a stop at a gas station for something to drink. When I parked, the tire pressure light came on. Display showed left front tire to be at 28 psi with the rest at 38. Got out to determine the problem only to find that I can hear and feel air escaping at an alarming rate. At this point I know I only have minutes before it is completely flat. Informed the wife to find the nearest tire shop. Bingo! Discount tire is .5 miles away. We make the decision to chance it to get there. Leave the gas station making a right turn only to find that I should have turned left. By the time I get turned around, 18 psi. At this point I’m 1 mile away and decide to just call AAA or Chrysler roadside. AAA Tow truck or help is 70 minutes away. It’s 3:30 and Discount closes at 5. We decide to wait because I really don’t think the air compressor that comes with the car will keep up with the leak. We call some friends in the area and we decide she takes the kids and leaves me with the car. In the end, the tire gets fixed and we make it home late.
I guess I’m lucky that this was the first time that I could have really used a spare tire. It could have been worse like in the middle of the night or in a bad neighborhood. I think I’m going to be researching spare options now.
 

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It seems like the Mopar un-inflated factory spare for the 2019's will not be available until later this year.

What year is your PacHy?

Let us know what you find out.
 

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This is a timely post. I literally just woke up from a dream in which I blew a tire in my 2019 and was pulled over rummaging through the van and realizing that there is no spare. Of all the decisions to make while building a vehicle, leaving out a spare is almost incomprehensible.
 

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I just purchased a 2019 gas Touring L plus and was surprised about the no spare tire thing. It took us a week, but we found someone who had the spare tire kit in stock. We travel with 2 large dogs, so we can’t risk needing a tow!
 

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With a somewhat manageable leak like that, I'd have tried the kit that comes with the van. It includes sealant. It's going going to fix a gash, but it should work for a puncture.
 

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With a somewhat manageable leak like that, I'd have tried the kit that comes with the van. It includes sealant. It's going going to fix a gash, but it should work for a puncture.
I guess I could have tried it. Being a automotive technician, I have been the one who has to clean up that mess and don't wish anyone else to have to do it so I definitely hate tire sealant. If it was the middle of the night and I didn't have any other choice then ok I'll try it. Plus, once you use the sealant mode on that compressor it basically needs to be replaced. I don't know how much that unit costs but it is probably more than a one new tire. Plus I am already a AAA member and the van still has roadside assistance so a tow charge is covered.

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Well, today was the day that I wished I had a spare tire in my PacHy. Was on my way home with the family and decided to make a stop at a gas station for something to drink. When I parked, the tire pressure light came on. Display showed left front tire to be at 28 psi with the rest at 38. Got out to determine the problem only to find that I can hear and feel air escaping at an alarming rate. At this point I know I only have minutes before it is completely flat. Informed the wife to find the nearest tire shop. Bingo! Discount tire is .5 miles away. We make the decision to chance it to get there. Leave the gas station making a right turn only to find that I should have turned left. By the time I get turned around, 18 psi. At this point I’m 1 mile away and decide to just call AAA or Chrysler roadside. AAA Tow truck or help is 70 minutes away. It’s 3:30 and Discount closes at 5. We decide to wait because I really don’t think the air compressor that comes with the car will keep up with the leak. We call some friends in the area and we decide she takes the kids and leaves me with the car. In the end, the tire gets fixed and we make it home late.
I guess I’m lucky that this was the first time that I could have really used a spare tire. It could have been worse like in the middle of the night or in a bad neighborhood. I think I’m going to be researching spare options now.
I've had numerous BMW's and Mercedes' with run flat tires. The early ones were unacceptable for many reasons but they have improved considerably. If I were transporting kids around, I would put run flat tires on my Pacifica and put up with the increased road noise and decreased tread life for the peace of mind. YMMV
 

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With a somewhat manageable leak like that, I'd have tried the kit that comes with the van. It includes sealant. It's going going to fix a gash, but it should work for a puncture.
Yes sealant is Evil goop..

I suggest anyone thats good with hand tools stock a tire plug kit and some side cutters.. way better than tire goop.

I cant recommend them to the average joe because it is not considered an approved practice anymore.

“Tires that have been punctured and repaired with a string plug may hold air for months, years even for the remaining life of the tire. For this reason, many consumers consider a string plug repair a permanent solution. The tire manufacturing industry expressly disagrees. Various industry publications state that the greatest potential danger caused by a string plug repair is that this type of repair allows air and moisture to penetrate the body of the tire. The tire industry maintains that these elements seep in between the layers of the tire allowing the steel belts to degrade and causing the tire to deteriorate and corrode from within. Over time, this corrosion weakens the steel belts and the bonds between the rubber-to-rubber layers and rubber-to-the-wire layers of the tire, greatly increasing the risk of a tread separation. An additional risk of performing a string plug repair is that a puncture, even if it is within the “repairable” area of the tire, may cause damage to the inside of the tires. Without inspecting the inside of the tire, it is impossible to determine whether any damage has occurred, requiring it to be scrapped.“

From Carabinshaw https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.carabinshaw.com/amp/unsafe-tire-repair-methods-persist-despite-strong-evidence-of-da.html

To be honest, any repair exposes you these issues because they are repaired from the inside and environmental factors can still penetrate up through the repaired area to the belted layer all the same.. At BMW, we are not allowed to fix a run flat tire at all “for safety reasons”.

If your worried, replace the tire - don't fix it. Its the only way that tire can be guaranteed to operate as designed under all conditions.. And the tire companies will love you for it!

But if your going to fix it, why not just be done with it and fix it once and for all.

I personally have not seen many issue with patches and tire cord style plugs. I stock a plug kit and cutters, some rubber glue in all my Vehicles..

I have had to repair my tires on the Pachy 3 times since ownership and have had one plug not seal 100% (odd shaped puncture) in which I dismounted the tire, removed the plug and installed a proper patch at my own convenience.

I just pull over before driving on a flat and causing more damage, find the nail, move the vehicle so the nail is accessible, inflate the tire to 50psi, pull the nail and push in a plug and snip the ears off and set the pressure back to the others - done.

No outside help required - I consider the repair permeant unless it proves otherwise.
 

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This is what I did, hope I never need it, since it's true no spares are available.
I have a 2019 Touring L w/18" rims.
I bought a spare 17" steel wheel w/a 235/65 R17 tire (it will save space and weight i the Van, used only as a spare in emergency).
I've been told my stock lugs for my 18"rims will not fit the 17" steel wheels, and I need to buy
Chrysler Dodge #6504672 Factory OEM Polished Stainless Lug Nuts 12x1.5.

The Longer ones #6504672 Factory seem to sit better in the Steel wheel (as it should).
The link below to order at ebay for less than half the retail price.
So my Spare Tire saga is complete, 17" steel wheel, 235-65xR17 tire (both bought at Wal mart online) and these lug nuts.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/5-New-Chrys...72.m2749.l2649
 

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Well I did a little research today. I had the idea, will the spare from my 2015 T&C fit my 18 PacHy? What about the tools? The answer is yes! All tools and the spare does fit without issues. My next question was what other FCA vehicles may work. I found another member posting that he was using Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT wheels on his Pacifica. There fore a spare from a Jeep Grand Cherokee or Dodge Durango should fit also. I am now wondering which one is the smallest? I doubt that the Jeep spare is smaller than the T&C spare. I am asking others out there, how big is the diameter of the Pacifica spare? The T&C spare is 27 inches in diameter (inflated) with a width (laying flat on the ground) of 6.75 inches. I would think there is a reason FCA changed the spare from one model to another even though the Caravan (that they still make) has a spare that will fit. Any help would be great.

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I miss the spare setup from the T&C. I always thought that was a clever way to store the spare. I haven’t had a roadside flat in over 20 years, but I use the spares for rotating tires.
 

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I guess I could have tried it. Being a automotive technician, I have been the one who has to clean up that mess and don't wish anyone else to have to do it so I definitely hate tire sealant. If it was the middle of the night and I didn't have any other choice then ok I'll try it. Plus, once you use the sealant mode on that compressor it basically needs to be replaced. I don't know how much that unit costs but it is probably more than a one new tire. Plus I am already a AAA member and the van still has roadside assistance so a tow charge is covered.

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Agreed. Tire repair guys HATE the 'snot in the can'.
On another car that I have 136,000 miles on, the two times I had a flat was 1) a dented rim from hitting a rock in the road, the next 2) was a cracked rim from a pothole. In both cases only a spare is useful.
I am positive that since I have the inflatable spare, I will never need it.
 

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I guess I could have tried it. Being a automotive technician, I have been the one who has to clean up that mess and don't wish anyone else to have to do it so I definitely hate tire sealant. If it was the middle of the night and I didn't have any other choice then ok I'll try it. Plus, once you use the sealant mode on that compressor it basically needs to be replaced. I don't know how much that unit costs but it is probably more than a one new tire. Plus I am already a AAA member and the van still has roadside assistance so a tow charge is covered.
Just curious; what was determined to be the cause of the flat?
 

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I bought the spare kit as soon as I bought my 2018 even though I haven't had a flat in 15-20 years. I'm remodeling the bathroom and found a sheetrock screw in my left rear tire yesterday. I still didn't need the spare as I drove to America's Tire (CA name for Discount Tire) at 28 PSI. Im still glad that I have the spare anyway.
 

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I bought the spare kit as soon as I bought my 2018 even though I haven't had a flat in 15-20 years. I'm remodeling the bathroom and found a sheetrock screw in my left rear tire yesterday. I still didn't need the spare as I drove to America's Tire (CA name for Discount Tire) at 28 PSI. Im still glad that I have the spare anyway.
What did America's Tire do?
 

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They put the spare on for me! Naw, I think that they removed the tire from the wheel and patched it from the inside.
Well that’s the right way to do it, you could plug it from the outside if your in a pinch but from the inside is best.
 

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Just curious; what was determined to be the cause of the flat?
Unknown. No foreign debris found. However, I was talking to the tire sales guys which stated that within the last 3 hours of being open they had 5 other vehicles with the exact same issue. Had a chance to talk with one customer as he was leaving and he was driving down the same road I was when it happened to him.

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Unknown. No foreign debris found. However, I was talking to the tire sales guys which stated that within the last 3 hours of being open they had 5 other vehicles with the exact same issue. Had a chance to talk with one customer as he was leaving and he was driving down the same road I was when it happened to him.
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No way I'd go anywhere without a spare. Bought new tires for the Durango last Thursday. Punched a hole in it with piece of glass Monday. Could not pull it out roadside, it kept chipping off. It's a month occasion where I live. I fill lucky if I get them in front tires or on the outside of the rear, and get home so I plug them without changing the tire. People must just drive around central Ky throwing out screws and nails.
 
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