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Hi! Can I install an Open Pilot on my Chrysler Pacific Hybrid that doesn't have Adaptive Cruise Control?
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No. Adaptive and lkas is required.
 

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Notwithstanding the legal aspects, reliability, fun factor etc... My main question is --

Who benefits from the million of miles driven training the system?
  • The OpenPilot user? OK, although again is it "user" or "trainer/reinforcer"?
  • The community? In this case, how can we ensure that indeed the collective knowledge acquired stays in the community with low friction access to it.
  • Hotz himself? In this case, what prevents him from saying "Thanks guys, the "software for research purposes" phase is over" and he closes everything. Sure, most of the code is on GitHub, but it looks like there are still some juicy AI code that is closed source...? And again, the data, the millions of miles...

It's almost as if we all participate to PacificaForums on a good faith basis, we all benefit from it as we are right now, and then suddenly when there is enough content, the owners close the forum, and sell the site to a car manufacturer for all the nuggets that are in there. I would feel meh about that...
 

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Selling my openpilot setup with Giraffe and White Panda and mount. It's in excellent condition. Getting rid of it because I traded in the Pacifica for a Alfa that doesn't work with openpilot. It Doesn't have LKAS :-(

 

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Hi everyone,

I thought that I would share my experience with installing Open Pilot in my 2017 Pacifica Hybrid. I've been intrigued by self-driving technology and always hoped the standard lane keep assist (LKAS) would have been better in my Pacifica. I've been doing some research on the subject, and decided to give Open Pilot a chance.

Here is a video of my setup:

Everything was purchased from: Comma.ai

I purchased:
  • EON Dev Kit
  • FCA Giraffe
  • Panda
So far it's working very well. I've noticed it performs much better on the highway than surface roads. It's much better than the standard LKAS. It also looks like they provide regular updates. It was not hard to do at all and anyone with some basic technical experience will be able to do it without issue. If anyone has any questions about my setup or how it performs, I would be happy to assist.
Thanks for the video! I bought the comma 2 and installed in my 2018 Pacifica Hybrid and I am very happy with it. I agree that it works better than the standard LKAS. It does take some getting used to though. I drove the first 10 miles or so with my hands hovering over the wheel LOL. It work extremely well for me on the highway and pretty good on surface roads. At any rate, I think the braking is smoother than the stock adaptive cruise control. The only thing I am disappointed with is that it doesn’t start driving again from a stop, I still have to press the resume button. I guess this is because the steering cuts out below 9 mph? Anyway, that’s my only complaint. Can’t wait to take a road trip with it!
 

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At any rate, I think the braking is smoother than the stock adaptive cruise control. The only thing I am disappointed with is that it doesn’t start driving again from a stop, I still have to press the resume button. I guess this is because the steering cuts out below 9 mph? Anyway, that’s my only complaint. Can’t wait to take a road trip with it!
That's in your head :). For the Pacifica the comma 2 only handles steering. All speed control is using the pre-existing adaptive cruise control.
 

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Thank you! I did not know that.
 

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Thanks for the video! I bought the comma 2 and installed in my 2018 Pacifica Hybrid and I am very happy with it. I agree that it works better than the standard LKAS. It does take some getting used to though. I drove the first 10 miles or so with my hands hovering over the wheel LOL. It work extremely well for me on the highway and pretty good on surface roads. At any rate, I think the braking is smoother than the stock adaptive cruise control. The only thing I am disappointed with is that it doesn’t start driving again from a stop, I still have to press the resume button. I guess this is because the steering cuts out below 9 mph? Anyway, that’s my only complaint. Can’t wait to take a road trip with it!
I would be interested in this system if I could keep hands on the wheel. How would that work? Would it just drop out? I wouldn't want to put too much trust in it but I would like to stay in the center of the lane at all times.
 

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"I kinda scratch my head at how people without any apparent credibility make 'definitive' (fixed your spelling for you) statements about liability, insurance, and safety. There’s a herd mentality of self-reinforcing assumptions at play there. (No echo chamber of thought here, I'm basing my reply off other knowledge, see below, but nice straw man attempt)

There’s certainly no anger in any of my replies (could have fooled me), just befuddlement. I can’t wrap my head around the idea of risking my family’s financial future and personal freedom in such a cavalier way (non causa pro causa, also contradiction of previous sentence) I guess my background gives me different perspective (What background would that be then, since you are using falasies to argue your point, where is your appeal to authority coming from here?), but the eagerness to assume the risk seems baffling to me. (not eagerness, educated and calculated risk based on research, appeal to ignorance)"


Sorry for the late reply, I don't frequently check my forum replies.
I kinda scratch my head to as to where you get off thinking you are somehow more of an expert than the rest of us. You talk in your replies like you ARE a licensed insurance rep or attorney at law.
So I'm very curious if you are and why you are trying to keep it a secret. You want to throw around a straw man argument like you aren't susceptible to it as well. I'm not here to debate it either way. I stand by what I said because I do in fact have the knowledge of what I said was fact based on white papers and actual lawsuits and rulings. Feel free to do your own personal research. I'm not here to do it for you. (and because I'm avoiding a potential burden of proof attack here) You are the expert here after all aren't you?

Now that I have that off my chest... I got the same canned reply from Traveler's regarding the use of OEM safety features and aftermarket driver assist equipment. They basically don't have anything against it yet nor do they offer any special coverage.
 
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Does OpenPilot work below 37 mph?


I read something where the old 2017 and 2018 Pacifica models kept the steering wheel motor commands active all the way down to 9 MPH so OpenPilot could still steer on these models (even though the stock LaneSense wouldn't work below 37 MPH per manual).

On 2019 and 2020 Chrysler "fixed" this issue and now the steering wheel ignores commands when your speed drops below 37 MPH, effectively killing OpenPilot.

Is that true?
 

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Does OpenPilot work below 37 mph?


I read something where the old 2017 and 2018 Pacifica models kept the steering wheel motor commands active all the way down to 9 MPH so OpenPilot could still steer on these models (even though the stock LaneSense wouldn't work below 37 MPH per manual).

On 2019 and 2020 Chrysler "fixed" this issue and now the steering wheel ignores commands when your speed drops below 37 MPH, effectively killing OpenPilot.

Is that true?
No doesn't work below 39mph
 

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No doesn't work below 39mph
Its a shame that it does not work below 39mph. Most demanding traffic is the stop and go traffic where speeds are below 39mph. I wish Chrysler would work with them to help support the software better. That will make Chrysler a prime platform for autonomous driving enthusiasts. Waymo has already created buzz for Pacificas with their self-driving fleet.

Looks like comma.ai is enthusiastic for partnering with auto companies - Working with comma: A Guide for Car Companies | by comma ai | Dec, 2020 | Medium

If there are any Chrysler insiders here, please make it happen!
 

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I just traded in a 2020 Subaru Touring. The Subaru had adaptive cruise control with lane centering, pre collision braking, lane departure and sway warning, and lane keep assist. Am i correct in assuming that with OpenPilot and the comma 2 you get lane keep?

Since the car already has lane departure warning with feedback to the steering wheel. Can't the software be hacked without the use of an extra camera. I am even more interested since lane keep is now included with the Advanced Safety Tech package.
 

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I just traded in a 2020 Subaru Touring. The Subaru had adaptive cruise control with lane centering, pre collision braking, lane departure and sway warning, and lane keep assist. Am i correct in assuming that with OpenPilot and the comma 2 you get lane keep?

Since the car already has lane departure warning with feedback to the steering wheel. Can't the software be hacked without the use of an extra camera. I am even more interested since lane keep is now included with the Advanced Safety Tech package.
In theory, you’re probably right. But figuring out how to hack it is probably not an easy task.
 

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Its a shame that it does not work below 39mph. Most demanding traffic is the stop and go traffic where speeds are below 39mph
ACC will still works in stop/go traffic. They are talking about lane keep assist limitations which isn't really necessary at very low speeds (IMO).


n't the software be hacked without the use of an extra camera. I am even more interested since lane keep is now included with the Advanced Safety Tech package.
As a somewhat early adopter, I've used OP on both a Prius and Clarity. The Clarity is NOT supported by commai (limited sales and uses a different canbus system from other Honda's) but that didn't stop the coders! Those folks can do a lot and the limits are more in the manufacturer's hardware (steering motors, cameras, etc) than OpenPilot.

I don't commute so I mainly use OP on highway trips where it is soooooo worth it. It's amazing how less stressed and tired I am at the end of a long drive when using it. It really lessens the load which helps me be a better and safer driver as most of my attention shifts to focus on traffic, threats, etc; AKA a great driver's aid.
 

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I forgot to mention in my earlier post that I bought a 2020 Limited Hybrid Pacifica with Advanced Safety Tech when I traded in the Subaru.
 

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Does the Comma 2 also function as a dash cam? How large memory card does it accept?
I don't own one, the early commas had dash cam support as a selling feature, then they dropped it.

I think they may have added it back in since now you can "record trips".


I believe the alternative firmware (dragonpilot, etc) adds it back in.
 
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