[mickeyboat]

Can the complete electric portion of the of the hybrid Pacifica be turned off so you only drive on the gas engine and never charge the battery with gas of home plug in. With a major issue with the electric portion of the hybrid being rumored causing all undelivered hybrids being returned to the factory, this might be a prudent thing to do. If the issue is with the battery packs, there is lots of history (cars, planes, etc.) of lithium packs catching fire especially with a cell failure. If I had a hybrid instead of a gas only van that is what I would do until this whole quality issue is resolved.

 

[yetisoldier]

This is kind of silly thinking. No cars have blown up. Mostly just failures. Probably of the planetary gear box so running only has wouldn't prevent it.

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[mickeyboat]

Another post says the hybrid issue for all undelivered hybrids and dealer inventory being sent back to the factory is a "battery core" issue. It also indicates Chrysler halted production. This from a dealer with a written input from Chrysler. If it is a battery core issue, I would not use or charge the battery. But I am only an electrical engineer. Your background and education is probably better than mine.

 

[blameitonben]

Another post says the hybrid issue for all undelivered hybrids and dealer inventory being sent back to the factory is a "battery core" issue. It also indicates Chrysler halted production. This from a dealer with a written input from Chrysler. If it is a battery core issue, I would not use or charge the battery. But I am only an electrical engineer. Your background and education is probably better than mine.

The "battery core" response was from someone on the FB group post, not from Chrysler direct. As of 6-2 production was still online at the Windsor Plant, we'll see in the next 24 - 48 if an actual stop production has occurred but I'm guessing not. If the Battey is the issue they could be building them with out the unit installed, but I doubt that they'd go through the motions on the line to make more work before delivery.

I also dont think they would have kept current owners in the dark if they where worried about catastrophic failure in the battery pack that could lead to death.

Not saying car companies haven't covered stuff up like this but, in this day in age it'd be tough to cover up so major issue.




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[TMaclay]

Can the complete electric portion of the of the hybrid Pacifica be turned off so you only drive on the gas engine and never charge the battery with gas of home plug in. With a major issue with the electric portion of the hybrid being rumored causing all undelivered hybrids being returned to the factory, this might be a prudent thing to do. If the issue is with the battery packs, there is lots of history (cars, planes, etc.) of lithium packs catching fire especially with a cell failure. If I had a hybrid instead of a gas only van that is what I would do until this whole quality issue is resolved.

Unfortunately, that isn't an option. The hybrid powertrain is inextricably linked to operation with the HV battery due to the need to reverse as well as the need for a power split function to allow operation of the internal combustion engine at reasonable operating RPMs when in hybrid mode. A theoretically very minor benefit could be gained by keeping the Li ion batteries at minimal charge (under 50%) while not allowing them to fully discharge. This is an industry practice for shipping and storage. Note: there is still a substantial amount of charge when the display says it is 0%. That's reserve for the hybrid mode and you would only need to worry about too low charge if the car is stored for a long time.

Some reasons:

• It is outside the vehicle, protected within its own casing and all the doors people would use to exit the vehicle open mechanically. The rear hatch latch does not release mechanically. Brakes and steering work off the 12V battery which is lead acid & proven technology. If something happened to cause a battery fire while underway, people could just get off the road, stop and exit the vehicle. My experience is anecdotal but most of the Li-ion failures I've read about in vehicles involved impact or damage to the battery cells. Like gas powered vehicles, they have risks but many believe they are lower.

• If the rumors are correct that there is a problem with the battery packs, it seems more likely that there is a problem with one or more of the numerous parts which make up the pack.

• LG Chem, the mfr of the battery pack, has extensive experience with vehicle battery systems (Chevy Volt, etc.)

I've recently loosened up a bit with being concerned about the shut-offs while driving. Hopefully, time does not prove me wrong.

 

[ScorpyMjolnir]

Another post says the hybrid issue for all undelivered hybrids and dealer inventory being sent back to the factory is a "battery core" issue. It also indicates Chrysler halted production. This from a dealer with a written input from Chrysler. If it is a battery core issue, I would not use or charge the battery. But I am only an electrical engineer. Your background and education is probably better than mine.

Wow, arrogant much? I can see why you would want to dicsount other people here. We wouldn't want the facts getting in the way of your wild speculation.

2,000 miles in, no problems, no explosions.

 

[mickeyboat]

Well, the factory has stopped hybrid production and all hybrid orders from dealers, and that seems to be a fact. Call a dealer and ask. Make sure you talk to someone there that has tried to place an order for a hybrid in the last 24 hours.

 

[hillgiant]

Well, the factory has stopped hybrid production and all hybrid orders from dealers, and that seems to be a fact. Call a dealer and ask. Make sure you talk to someone there that has tried to place an order for a hybrid in the last 24 hours.

I did contact a dealer (several). As of this moment there are at least 15 vehicles for sale within 200 miles of where I sit. None of the dealers mentioned some kind of stopped production. Do you have a link or are you going to keep repeating the rumor until it sticks?

 

[mickeyboat]

Here is just one post of information on this forum.

"Met with the dealer Mgr, last night.
He attempted to place a new order for a Hybrid van for my wife.
However his order screen would not allow him to make any new orders for these vans.
He said over the 25 years, he has never seen this.
He confirmed that all vans are going back for a retrofit of some kind,
But, he also said that not a word about these vans is coming from Chrysler.
So now, you can't even order one.....sad..."

Here is another post from this forum:

I got an email forwarded to me today from my dealer via the Supply Chain Management Group of Chrysler for my Pacifica Hybrid that was supposed to be delivered today (that has been sitting at the rail yard in Memphis for almost two weeks) stating and I quote...

"We are still not building or shipping the Pacifica Hybrid. We have seen the shipping status update to "In Transit to Dealer" on some units. These are actually units being shipped back to Michigan for retrofit. There is no timing on when building/shipping will start again."

In another I saw a poster saying his dealer saying specifically the problem is in the battery core but can not find that post quickly

Does this help?

 

[mickeyboat]

I did contact a dealer (several). As of this moment there are at least 15 vehicles for sale within 200 miles of where I sit. None of the dealers mentioned some kind of stopped production. Do you have a link or are you going to keep repeating the rumor until it sticks?

Were the 15 vehicles hybrids or gas Pacificas.

 

[mickeyboat]

I did contact a dealer (several). As of this moment there are at least 15 vehicles for sale within 200 miles of where I sit. None of the dealers mentioned some kind of stopped production. Do you have a link or are you going to keep repeating the rumor until it sticks?

If any of those 15 are hybrids will the dealers sell and deliver them? We have many posters on this forum saying Chrysler has instructed dealers to hold all hybrids and not sell them. Others report dealers are saying that these hybrid vans will have to be returned to the factory for repair.

 

[1984 Sheepdog]

It seems reasonable to have concerns about carrying around a huge battery, but don't forget that gasoline is also quite flammable. Unless you want to trade in for a bicycle, or a nice pair of walking shoes, driving always carries pretty significant risk.

 

[hillgiant]

If any of those 15 are hybrids will the dealers sell and deliver them? We have many posters on this forum saying Chrysler has instructed dealers to hold all hybrids and not sell them. Others report dealers are saying that these hybrid vans will have to be returned to the factory for repair.

I specifically inquired about hybrids. You are the only one saying "Chrysler has instructed dealers to hold all hybrids and not sell them". You need to start citing links.

 

[mickeyboat]

Suggest you read this 6 page thread among other threads that contain info on hybrid dealer holds.

"Chrysler still lingering in the dark on delivery hold"

 

[SherylBear]

There are people all over the forum and the Facebook group whose dealers have told them they can't allow them to test drive or take home a vehicle. It's not consistent to all dealers though which is confusing.

 

[Canuck1]

Considering that I live in Toronto, I just bought a PacHy last night and have driven it for 200km. I suppose some dealers, more than others might be misinformed, I'd think that ones near the most populated cities in Canada are most informed.

 

[hillgiant]

Looks like my local dealers are crawfishing on me. They say that they cannot sell the ones they have on the lot and don't have any idea (a) what is wrong or (b) how long the hold will be.

I've also noted radio silence from ChryslerCares. Which is even more unsettling.

 

[hillgiant]

Update:

Actual information from 1st person interaction with Chrysler
http://www.pacificaforums.com/forum...date-chrysler-i-just-received.html#post219458

A "software patch" doesn't sound to me like the sort of halt-and-catch-fire panics that everyone is indulging in.