There are a lot of variables in the energy use. The major ones are the speed and elevation changes. My EV range can easily be over 40 miles at the highway speeds when I lose 400' of altitude over this distance. I drove a low speed limit flat road on the Florida Gulf coast in the hybrid mode and achieved 45MPG. Driving on the highways I can see the rated 33MPG if I keep my speed in check. The economy starts going down noticeably above 50MPH. This is a square function, and the economy drops faster than the speed raises. Driving 75-80 I get maybe 27MPG.
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I am failing to see how this is true. The fact that hybrid/electric vehicles can recover some of the energy that would otherwise be discarded as waste heat is one of the prime reasons for their efficiency. Energy recovered from the descent after climbing a hill should absolutely be counted in any MPGe calculation.It should know the difference, otherwise the EV mode consumption readings are useless.
Owners say they are exactly useless if you read these posts without any influence-de-jour.
But
They're what you've got, they're universal, they're equally invaluable to a micron...post a pic as a baseline. Even if the baseline is worthless, it's equally worthless.
The unwillingness to show a dash shot showing a long range travel log is very telling.
Tales are the loud tale. A 3second dash picture from a phone? Silence.
It tells us;
The 30 mile(one gallon of gas equivalent) electric has little value except in a very specific urban or circuit use.
It is/was an esoteric want that is creating a value.
Just a view from someone who reads the spaces between the words.
But
They're what you've got, they're universal, they're equally invaluable to a micron...post a pic as a baseline. Even if the baseline is worthless, it's equally worthless.
The unwillingness to show a dash shot showing a long range travel log is very telling.
Tales are the loud tale. A 3second dash picture from a phone? Silence.
It tells us;
The 30 mile(one gallon of gas equivalent) electric has little value except in a very specific urban or circuit use.
It is/was an esoteric want that is creating a value.
Just a view from someone who reads the spaces between the words.
Your exception happens to be the rule however.The 30 mile(one gallon of gas equivalent) electric has little value except in a very specific urban or circuit use.
No.
The bandwagon has dragged many a willingly uneducated 'me too' aboard.
Media fawns.
A simpleton pawns.
This forum is media.
The
'I did, so you should also, unquestioningly'
is the strongest sales point for electric vehicles.
And
'Hey! Look at me!"
Is the strongest purchase point.
If this hasn't even a peel of truth;
You'd have a proudly posted dash shot from every viewer of this thread.
Instead
You have tales of how the only official/actual/physical/in-your face-every-inch-of-travel guage is so flawed as to not be usable. Tales told tell the tale.
I write to generate a small bit of doubt to make the bandwagon's crepe-paper flowers not seem so real.
Some will swear they smell roses.
The bandwagon has dragged many a willingly uneducated 'me too' aboard.
Media fawns.
A simpleton pawns.
This forum is media.
The
'I did, so you should also, unquestioningly'
is the strongest sales point for electric vehicles.
And
'Hey! Look at me!"
Is the strongest purchase point.
If this hasn't even a peel of truth;
You'd have a proudly posted dash shot from every viewer of this thread.
Instead
You have tales of how the only official/actual/physical/in-your face-every-inch-of-travel guage is so flawed as to not be usable. Tales told tell the tale.
I write to generate a small bit of doubt to make the bandwagon's crepe-paper flowers not seem so real.
Some will swear they smell roses.
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Average commute is roundtrip 41 miles. It is the norm. Anything over that is the exception by definition. If one can charge at work it would be easy to go roundtrip on electric only. The icing on the cake is the better ride than gas.
Average commute is roundtrip 41 miles. It is the norm. Anything over that is the exception by definition. If one can charge at work it would be easy to go roundtrip on electric only. The icing on the cake is the better ride than gas.
Average means;
Less and more.
It means basically half of folks don't fit the scenario...on average.
So while it works for half, and really really works for 25%...
It doesn't work for half and really really doesn't work for 25%.
The ladder-rungs to the bandwagon need tugged on before anyone uses them to lift their full weight aboard.
So,
25% of folks that need a van can gain, potentially, a gallon of gas a day as a savings.
Everyone else gains less.
Seems very niche and an unsustainable market...until you add the
' hey! Look at me! I didn't think this through! But it is electric!'
Esotericss.
Less and more.
It means basically half of folks don't fit the scenario...on average.
So while it works for half, and really really works for 25%...
It doesn't work for half and really really doesn't work for 25%.
The ladder-rungs to the bandwagon need tugged on before anyone uses them to lift their full weight aboard.
So,
25% of folks that need a van can gain, potentially, a gallon of gas a day as a savings.
Everyone else gains less.
Seems very niche and an unsustainable market...until you add the
' hey! Look at me! I didn't think this through! But it is electric!'
Esotericss.
Depends on the standard deviation. Either way on any given commute, 100% of the time I'd prefer the Hybrid.Average means;
Less and more.
It means basically half of folks don't fit the scenario.
So while it works for half, and really really works for 25%...
It doesn't work for half and really really doesn't work for 25%.
The ladder-rungs to the bandwagon need tugged on before anyone uses then to lift their full weight aboard.
And you promote the ride to gild the purchase.
And
the usability of a rung on the bandwagon ladder depends on weight(ponder). More derision, more weight on a weak rung.
And
Pictures need no 'depends' to prove or disprove.
Prefer is not Quantifiable.
A proofing dash picture is.
It's a butt-dyno horsepower-ish claim without the long miles pictures.
Either the electric value gets proved, or it gets doubted.
And
the usability of a rung on the bandwagon ladder depends on weight(ponder). More derision, more weight on a weak rung.
And
Pictures need no 'depends' to prove or disprove.
Prefer is not Quantifiable.
A proofing dash picture is.
It's a butt-dyno horsepower-ish claim without the long miles pictures.
Either the electric value gets proved, or it gets doubted.
Simply;
Why aren't electric folk posting picture proof?
What is the excuse?
Why aren't electric folk posting picture proof?
What is the excuse?
This wasn't started to prove anything other than for entertainment for those of us with hybrids. You seem to be in the "proof of concept" mode when those engaged in this thread are well past that point. I engaged in similar analysis prior to purchase and now it's seeing how correct that analysis was and continues to be post-purchase. In the end without a hybrid you're not really going to get much from this thread because it's all theory to you when it's reality for us. There's nothing wrong with that but it's also not very satisfying for anyone.Simply;
Why aren't electric folk posting picture proof?
What is the excuse?
And yet, still no proofs and an
Entertainment is the only value
Claim.
Your summation is absolutely uncounterable...
Due to vagueness.
By your admission:
It's all theory prior to purchase.
I write solely for those who are
Prior to purchase.
No need to continue this.
The only defense of purchase has been clearly stated.
Bandwagon.
Entertainment.
A gallon a day savings except in slight circumstance.
Above is what potential purchasers need to weigh directly, columns side by side, with the equally prejudiced positively unctuous claims.
Entertainment is the only value
Claim.
Your summation is absolutely uncounterable...
Due to vagueness.
By your admission:
It's all theory prior to purchase.
I write solely for those who are
Prior to purchase.
No need to continue this.
The only defense of purchase has been clearly stated.
Bandwagon.
Entertainment.
A gallon a day savings except in slight circumstance.
Above is what potential purchasers need to weigh directly, columns side by side, with the equally prejudiced positively unctuous claims.
I don't know what you're disagreeing with. This is essentially what I'm saying.I am failing to see how this is true. The fact that hybrid/electric vehicles can recover some of the energy that would otherwise be discarded as waste heat is one of the prime reasons for their efficiency. Energy recovered from the descent after climbing a hill should absolutely be counted in any MPGe calculation.
Ok.
I've found an added value.
35 miles is worth, sometimes life itself, if you run out of gas in the wrong place.
I'd pay for that.
I've not ran out of fuel ever(that I remember) but urbanites and rural alike should cherish that aspect of the 35 miles. That's a life saver in the Real desert or the food/gas desert.
Your double range guage has taught me something.
I've found an added value.
35 miles is worth, sometimes life itself, if you run out of gas in the wrong place.
I'd pay for that.
I've not ran out of fuel ever(that I remember) but urbanites and rural alike should cherish that aspect of the 35 miles. That's a life saver in the Real desert or the food/gas desert.
Your double range guage has taught me something.
Not exactly.
The van uses the battery first, it is not possible to override it.
The ability to plug doesn't help much when driving long distances. But it makes it possible to commute around the town mostly or completely on electricity. My roundtrip is close to 40 miles, and I have a 120V outlet at work. When the weather is above freezing I use no gas.
I still don't understand what conclusions did you make out of my dashboard.
The van uses the battery first, it is not possible to override it.
The ability to plug doesn't help much when driving long distances. But it makes it possible to commute around the town mostly or completely on electricity. My roundtrip is close to 40 miles, and I have a 120V outlet at work. When the weather is above freezing I use no gas.
I still don't understand what conclusions did you make out of my dashboard.
I didn't know battery is used first.
If battery was last, it's a nice little one gallon spare tank.
So when you're out of gas, you're also out of electric?
If battery was last, it's a nice little one gallon spare tank.
So when you're out of gas, you're also out of electric?
Yes. You can't override when the electricity gets used because it's always used before and in priority to gas.I didn't know battery is used first.
If battery was last, it's a nice little one gallon spare tank.
So when you're out of gas, you're also out of electric?
As long as you have an electricity source you can always recharge even when out of gas.
Some of these nuances that are part of hybrid ownership don't come through from a simple screenshot.
So true.There are a lot of variables in the energy use. The major ones are the speed and elevation changes. My EV range can easily be over 40 miles at the highway speeds when I lose 400' of altitude over this distance. I drove a low speed limit flat road on the Florida Gulf coast in the hybrid mode and achieved 45MPG. Driving on the highways I can see the rated 33MPG if I keep my speed in check. The economy starts going down noticeably above 50MPH. This is a square function, and the economy drops faster than the speed raises. Driving 75-80 I get maybe 27MPG.
I have the sincerest of doubts that Chrysler roadside service can routinely bring you a gallon of electric, or would if they could.
Also I have less sincere, but still heartfelt doubts, that 1:100,000 folks who run out of fuel, run out of fuel within the reasonable reach and safety of an electric outlet.
I'll have to retract my wrongly determined
Battery spare fuel Advantage
And
I have to totally discredit the
Roadside electric grasp at a grasp.
If you come home so low on fuel that only a home charge saves you...well, you win the scenario IF you need to place that amount of irresponsibilty into it.
Also I have less sincere, but still heartfelt doubts, that 1:100,000 folks who run out of fuel, run out of fuel within the reasonable reach and safety of an electric outlet.
I'll have to retract my wrongly determined
Battery spare fuel Advantage
And
I have to totally discredit the
Roadside electric grasp at a grasp.
If you come home so low on fuel that only a home charge saves you...well, you win the scenario IF you need to place that amount of irresponsibilty into it.
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