So awesome. How many total miles?

 

1790 total., 1522 on Electric, 268

 

I’d keep at least 1/4 tank as you don’t wanna run dry and all crap sitting on bottom going thru fuel pump pickup

 

that's not how the fuel pickup works...

I'm shocked that gibberish is still being spewn.

 

FYI the fuel pump runs the moment you start the vehicle. Does not matter if the ICE is on or not. You will burn up the fuel pump as it uses fuel to cool the pump. The Pacifica was never marketed as an EV.

 

It's not completely empty, just near empty. I'm going to fill it up for her.

 

My 2021 is averaging 47.2 to 112.7 MPG between fillups.

 

How are y’all calculating MPG? Taking total miles driven on one tank, then dividing by gallons?

I know that van does the calculations, but I’m new to the whole “eMPG” thing. I’ve always just figured I would calculate by total miles on one tank (elec miles included) end divide by 15-16 gallons (or whatever empty is when I fill up).

 

Yes, miles on OD vs pump numbers after fillup.

I have been using GasRecord for over 10 years on my Android phones to calculate the mileage. Simple to use and exports data via excel and pdf files for tax purposes. Cloud saves the database files to OneDrive and/or Google Drive so I never lose my records when I upgrade to a new phone each year. No ads, and not linked to any company to track and sell my info.

 

I don't understand how more people don't see PHEVs like ours as the ultimate transition vehicles until BEVs actually make sense for the real world. With that said, I'm 3.5 months into my ownership and I've taken 2 longer road trips which are the totality of my ICE usage: 2636 electric miles and 748 hybrid miles. Loving it so far.

Edit: Oh and my local grocery store/sbuxs and most of the hotels and destinations on my trips have had free chargers so many of those electric miles are also free.

 

ditto. just over 2800mi on mine and I have basically the same routines. this vehicle is incredible for that.

 

Just went over 2k miles today and still haven't filled it with gas since it was delivered to us, and that was with it being driven 200 ish miles to our house!

 

2k miles in one day is impressive! not to mention the the magic fuel you're using!

 

3 months since I put a full tank of gas in the wife's 21 Hybrid Limited.

Yes, it really works well for local driving with occasional long road trips. We went 16 months, from August 2019 to December 2020 without adding any gas, During that time we drove 2405 miles. After that we went on a month long 5500 mile road trip.

 

yeah it's perfect for us. Wife goes to appointments or shopping near by. Never hits gas at all. I'm driving a Tundra right now, but I have a Tesla Truck on PreOrder and even the new Jeep Wrangler Sahara 4XE looks great for me. Love that electric power.

 

aka, people are insane.

 

I just hit my first 1000 miles and still have 1/2 tank left.

We go on a 1000 mile trip in August so that will change, but that's the beauty of it. We can drive mostly EV week after week, but when we need to go 500 miles, no big deal or waiting hours to charge along the way like a Tesla. Some people say the stops are nice, but I just want to get there. 5 mins to re-fill while everyone pees and hit a drive through and eat in the car.

Plus it seems to get better MPG even on the interstate with the Atkinson cycle and better aerodynamics compared to our other 3.6 Town and Country which with 100,000 miles and low rolling resistance tires gets a respectable 28-30 mpg on the interstate.

 

My 1800 mile road trip started with a full charge, and then in the middle I managed to add 23 miles in a single charge one day over those two weeks. Otherwise, it was all hybrid operation.

I left Trip A alone the entire time. While I didn't hand calculate the gas usage, the meter showed 1840 miles and 31.4mpg, with a total run time of right under 47 hours (one plus of those hours was "idling" while I charged up some stuff during a power outage).

I thought I was doing tremendously here, because my old Honda vans wouldn't crack 22mpg on that kind of a trip--and day to day were getting about 14. But I keep hearing the old Chrysler 3.6s were getting that 28-30 on the road, and maybe even more (undocumented).

 

Extended Freeway travel remains the smallest mileage difference you'll see between hybrid and ice operation. Very little time gaining energy, constantly using. The significantly lighter Pacifica ice with 9 gears shouldn't surprise anyone when it hits 30+ on the highway. That's not where you realize the savings.

 

I couldn't agree with you more, and I have often puzzled over the benefits of a non-plug-in hybrid. I get that there is energy recovery in braking, energy savings in not idling an ICE in stop-and-go traffic, and possibly more efficient ICE operation by running at more optimal speed/torque conditions. But I am hard pressed to believe that these conditions provide a significant savings. With my current plug-in electric rates I am paying about $0.27 per litre of fuel for those under 50 km trips, and THAT is where I see the huge advantage of the electrics.

My vehicle has just entered FORM (about 1200 km on the odometer; no refuelling yet) and is staying in that mode even though I am doing many short drives when it could be running electric only. I will now run it until the low fuel level warning comes on to exit the mode; and I will only add enough fuel to cover an anticipated longer drive where the ICE will be required.

FWIW, I am not overly impressed with how the vehicle is running under FORM. The ICE starts and stops frequently even while stopped at a traffic light (yes, it starts/stops/starts/stops while the vehicle is sitting there). While driving I can see the ICE/electric drives flipping back and forth, or both being on at the same time. But because the HV battery is at 100% and there is nowhere for any electric charge to go, and because FORM precludes driving purely on electric, I suspect this is why the ICE keeps starting/stopping as it does. And surprisingly, I feel more of a jolt/shudder in the vehicle when the ICE stops than when it starts. I was impressed with how smoothly the ICE comes on when driving at speed, but when crawling or sitting still the ICE start/stop is quite jerky.

 

in other words, it's a gasoline vehicle. Let it be that. That means running the gasoline engine, at least on a periodic basis, enough to keep it healthy and the fluids workable.

I think we need to stop treating it like it's an EV. It's not, and never was.

 

In FORM operation it operates like an ICE vehicle with electric backup when it hits low fuel warning. I like to think of it as an electric vehicle with ICE backup for longer trips.

 

So is my Ebike really an ebike if I can also pedal it? Seems like it's a PHEV too and only if I removed the pedals would it be a true ebike. Funny thing is then my city would consider it a motorcycle.

 

BMW i3 with Range Extender is an example of EV with gas backup. It's architecturally different- large battery and motor, small engine/generator combo to help when the battery is down. PacHy has small electric motors and needs the engine to achieve full power or provide heat in the colder weather, even with enough juice in the battery. PacHy is not an EV by any means.

 

Every time I go more than a couple months without filling tank my stupid 2020 goes into fuel refresh mode and i have to drive on gas until it's empty. I know I could just add a bit, but I drive so infrequently that would just set it up for more fuel refresh modes. Now I just don't fill it much at all. I hate this van.

 

Right now is a great time to sell it on the open market.

Understand that FORM is designed to save the system. You don't want old gas sitting around in the vehicle.

 

I won’t say I hate the vehicle, but I wish I could override FORM. Maybe siphoning off some fuel into a jerrycan for later use, or for the lawnmower, will get it to low fuel warning level and back to electric mode!

 

I don’t want to equate an expensive vehicle to a gas lawnmower or snowblower, but how many people really worry about “stale” fuel in the jerrycan? I have used 2-year old fuel in my gas trimmer with no problems, and that machine has served me for 30 years. I think FORM is a bit of FCA CYA.

 

But a trimmer might cost $200 to fix. Engine problems in your Pachy will be much more than that. But it is your call.

 

I could see at the 1 year point going into FORM but gas doesn't go even remotely stale at 1 or 2 months. As far as an oil refresh, all that takes is one cycle up to operating temp to dry out any moisture. I plan on just keeping 1/2 to 1/4 in the tank when only the day to day electric mode is in my future. Then just add 4 gallons if the FORM activates.

 

I have not yet reached the low fuel warning point, but according to the manual that will end FORM. I will then have at least 50 km EV plus whatever the low fuel quantity will give me in driving range, so I am not concerned about being "stuck out of fuel."