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Another shut down and lousy serve

Here is my story:

On June 22, my wife was driving our new 2018 Chrysler Pacifica (non-hybrid) minivan down the highway on the way to our son's birthday party. While in heavy traffic and highway speed, the car suddenly shut off. Alarms sounding, power steering out… Much of the same as posted many places now on the web. Trouble is, only way to restart the car, is to come to a complete stop, put the car in park, press the button with the foot on the brake. All in the middle of a highway, in traffic, with 4 kids between 9 and 15 in the car. The car at that time had less than 3500 miles on it.

We immediately called the Bolles Motors service department (Ellington, CT where we made our purchase) and arrange to have the car in the shop first thing Monday. Because of our busy schedules, we were unable to drop the car over the weekend; we were travelling out of state and could not travel without the larger vehicle. After another 500 or so miles, we left the car at the dealership who provided us a loaner vehicle.

The service department found no issues. The computer reported no concerns. My wife was even asked if she hit the button while driving by accident. (No words can express how insulting such a comment is.) As I'm sure you can understand, a sudden shut-down of an engine, especially while at highway speeds, is a potentially life-threatening defect. We notified the Chrysler home office immediately.

Chrysler told us they had never heard of such a problem before, but seemed to be properly horrified at the implications of such a vehicle failure. (Imagine a family of 5 pulling onto a highway in front of an 18 wheeler, then shutting off, with no power steering.) They even told us not to drive it. We were told that normally an incident needs to occur multiple times before it could be escalated, but we were given the opportunity to escalate immediately. We did. We heard nothing for days. We called several times with no response, then discovered the case worker we were assigned was on vacation the entire time. Every time we called it took 2-3 days before we got a response.

To our surprise, it didn't take much looking to discover pacificaforums.com where the issue has been discussed for months, long prior to our own incident and current drama. Since we began, the number of complaints filed with NHTSA has blossomed alarmingly.

Meanwhile Bolles Motors began calling us asking when we would pick up our car and return the loaner. We had to tell the dealership to contact Chrysler because they were the ones that told us not to pick up the car and not to drive it. Eventually Chrysler connected with Bolles, but even together, nothing could be discovered.

My the end of June, I needed to travel to Europe. My wife drove my personal vehicle, while the loaner sat in our garage. I was the only one on the contract authorized to drive it. On or about July 5, my wife received a call that if we did not return the loaner, it would be reported stolen! My wife called me while I was still in Europe (a 6 hour time difference) in tears. I called overseas at 11:30 PM local time to straighten them out, along with a pointed email suggesting that a contract and a van worth almost $60,000 for collateral over a $22,000 Dodge Journey did not in any way make the loaner car "stolen" and that if that avenue was pursued they would be hearing from attorneys and as many news agencies as I could get ahold of.

The dealership backed off quickly, with the General Manager informing me that it was Chrysler itself that suggested that course of action to them. The communication problems continued with Chrysler as the would not respond to calls by either us or Bolles for 2-3 days. That makes it very difficult to get anything done. Chrysler's suggestion was to attach a data recorder and return the vehicle to us to drive until the shut-down happened again. I have no intention of risking my family's well-being in order for Chrysler to collect data they should be doing on their own. Bolles and I agreed that the dealership would drive the car as much as possible with the data recorder attached in the hopes the sudden shut-down would reoccur. After 100+ miles, it did not.

Upon my return to the US, the dealership was told by Chrysler that we should be charged for the loaner from July 5. The dealership, I believe sensing their liability, told us they would not charge for the loaner until the 17th. We returned the loaner Saturday, July 22 after purchasing a 2018 Honda Odyssey Elite on the 20th. Bolles Motors still has the Pacifica in their lot and is doing nothing. Chrysler has done nothing.

Our only recourse is to pursue buy-back or litigation. I understand Chrysler wanting to hide this issue so as to not make the news with yet another faulty product. The van looks pretty inside and out and drives nicely. If this had never happened we would be merrily driving our Pacifica -- which is now sitting in a parking lot.

The Pacifica cost me nearly $60,000. I now own the car outright. Write me a check and I'll go away. Chrysler can keep the car and test drive away with whoever they are paying to risk their lives.
 
My car had a similar experience but i was told it was due to the fact that I had overloaded the car and the luggage was pushing on the lift gate door. Car shut down while idle on a light and ucconect screen read lifgate not operational when car is in motion. Early that day I had the car software updated at a 5 star dealer service center. Make sure that all updates are done and that your battery reads at least 14 AMPS.
 
The worst part about this is if a Pacifica Driver that is affected by this issue does get into an accident, there no way to prove that the van actually shut off because it does not register any codes or evidence of the shut off. The insurance adjuster would need evidence that there is in fact a defect. Until this is an official recall, Chrysler can technically not be liable for any damages as a result of an accident.
 
We've been fortunate not to have experienced this condition, but really feel for those involved in these recent stories. Hope this is resolved asap or that someone from national safety pulls out the red card to get some better recognition.

The "maybe you hit a button" part is beyond insulting after such a life threatening incident and it is only a matter of time until a husband assaults a service tech.
 
I Googled "car shut off while driving no codes", just to see what other vehicles this happens to and what some causes may be.

Interesting reading. Possible bad crank position sensors was one thing on a page a few pointed out, I would not have thought of (as a possibility). Lots of other ideas, EGR related, fuel system related, like looking for a needle in a haystack.

Looking to turn in a 15 T&C by Jan, into a new something. Wife has seen the Pacifica and is on board with it, but I am not sure I like the thought of random stalling vehicle. I sure hope Chrysler identifies something useful to solve this soon. Re-upping for a new van was a complete 100% no brainer until I (thankfully) came across this site and this thread. Never once in my life considered a Honda but I am likely to go check out a new Odyssey some time soon just to compare.

My big question is, is this a design flaw or a parts quality flaw?
 
@happierwithhonda What a sh!t show! My story is VERY similar to yours except that once we finally heard from the Detroit executive, we started getting somewhere. It's so frustrating to hear that Chrysler is pretending like this is an isolated issue. Not sure if you read through the thread, but I was blocked from Chrysler's Facebook page for posting about the issue. So sketchy.

I'll update the list and add the new customers affected by this problem later today. If anyone has an update or has gotten a "resolution" PLEASE let us know! If you've experienced the problem PLEASE make sure you go online and file a report with the NHTSA. They're calling affected customers and are currently investigating this case.

If you're reading this thread and considering a Pacifica...read through the WHOLE thread. Of course all car companies have issues, especially with new models. That being said, I don't think there's a single person on here who has had a pleasant experience dealing with Chrysler regarding this potentially deadly problem.
 
Sccm stand for ? Thanks
Steering Column Control Module - This holds the turn signal and wiper control stalks as well as the steering angle sensor. In Kellyk82's case, it's my own idea that the potential cause of engine cutoff may have been that this module caused the CAN-C communication bus (which the engine in the gas version of the Pacifica relies on to know the car is in "Run" status to malfunction. The dealer appears to have simply found a code and replaced that module and declared that the problem was solved. Though seemingly improbable to me, that appears to be the case so far. I can't claim to be much of an expert on this as I come from an era where you tested whether you had juice by sticking the wire on your tongue.
Thanks for the explanation!
 
I really have a feeling mine has to do with the ess system since that's the error I got. My wife never felt comfortable with it since day one. So she has left it off since day 1. I on the other hand always left it on. But now I just leave it off.
 
Take a look at the 2018 Odyssey Elite. If it was out a month earlier, we would never have purchased the Chrysler. All of the bells and whistles, safety, etc. that really mattered are in the HONDA. Ended up being cheaper, too.
And you know for certain that none of the Hondas made over the next year will ever shut down while driving?
 
Nice first post. Are you posting from the future, as the 2018's aren't even being made yet.




Here is my story:

On June 22, my wife was driving our new 2018 Chrysler Pacifica (non-hybrid) minivan down the highway on the way to our son's birthday party. While in heavy traffic and highway speed, the car suddenly shut off. Alarms sounding, power steering out… Much of the same as posted many places now on the web. Trouble is, only way to restart the car, is to come to a complete stop, put the car in park, press the button with the foot on the brake. All in the middle of a highway, in traffic, with 4 kids between 9 and 15 in the car. The car at that time had less than 3500 miles on it.

We immediately called the Bolles Motors service department (Ellington, CT where we made our purchase) and arrange to have the car in the shop first thing Monday. Because of our busy schedules, we were unable to drop the car over the weekend; we were travelling out of state and could not travel without the larger vehicle. After another 500 or so miles, we left the car at the dealership who provided us a loaner vehicle.

The service department found no issues. The computer reported no concerns. My wife was even asked if she hit the button while driving by accident. (No words can express how insulting such a comment is.) As I'm sure you can understand, a sudden shut-down of an engine, especially while at highway speeds, is a potentially life-threatening defect. We notified the Chrysler home office immediately.

Chrysler told us they had never heard of such a problem before, but seemed to be properly horrified at the implications of such a vehicle failure. (Imagine a family of 5 pulling onto a highway in front of an 18 wheeler, then shutting off, with no power steering.) They even told us not to drive it. We were told that normally an incident needs to occur multiple times before it could be escalated, but we were given the opportunity to escalate immediately. We did. We heard nothing for days. We called several times with no response, then discovered the case worker we were assigned was on vacation the entire time. Every time we called it took 2-3 days before we got a response.

To our surprise, it didn't take much looking to discover pacificaforums.com where the issue has been discussed for months, long prior to our own incident and current drama. Since we began, the number of complaints filed with NHTSA has blossomed alarmingly.

Meanwhile Bolles Motors began calling us asking when we would pick up our car and return the loaner. We had to tell the dealership to contact Chrysler because they were the ones that told us not to pick up the car and not to drive it. Eventually Chrysler connected with Bolles, but even together, nothing could be discovered.

My the end of June, I needed to travel to Europe. My wife drove my personal vehicle, while the loaner sat in our garage. I was the only one on the contract authorized to drive it. On or about July 5, my wife received a call that if we did not return the loaner, it would be reported stolen! My wife called me while I was still in Europe (a 6 hour time difference) in tears. I called overseas at 11:30 PM local time to straighten them out, along with a pointed email suggesting that a contract and a van worth almost $60,000 for collateral over a $22,000 Dodge Journey did not in any way make the loaner car "stolen" and that if that avenue was pursued they would be hearing from attorneys and as many news agencies as I could get ahold of.

The dealership backed off quickly, with the General Manager informing me that it was Chrysler itself that suggested that course of action to them. The communication problems continued with Chrysler as the would not respond to calls by either us or Bolles for 2-3 days. That makes it very difficult to get anything done. Chrysler's suggestion was to attach a data recorder and return the vehicle to us to drive until the shut-down happened again. I have no intention of risking my family's well-being in order for Chrysler to collect data they should be doing on their own. Bolles and I agreed that the dealership would drive the car as much as possible with the data recorder attached in the hopes the sudden shut-down would reoccur. After 100+ miles, it did not.

Upon my return to the US, the dealership was told by Chrysler that we should be charged for the loaner from July 5. The dealership, I believe sensing their liability, told us they would not charge for the loaner until the 17th. We returned the loaner Saturday, July 22 after purchasing a 2018 Honda Odyssey Elite on the 20th. Bolles Motors still has the Pacifica in their lot and is doing nothing. Chrysler has done nothing.

Our only recourse is to pursue buy-back or litigation. I understand Chrysler wanting to hide this issue so as to not make the news with yet another faulty product. The van looks pretty inside and out and drives nicely. If this had never happened we would be merrily driving our Pacifica -- which is now sitting in a parking lot.

The Pacifica cost me nearly $60,000. I now own the car outright. Write me a check and I'll go away. Chrysler can keep the car and test drive away with whoever they are paying to risk their lives.
 
Nice first post. Are you posting from the future, as the 2018's aren't even being made yet.
FWIW the 2018 Odysseys have been out for a while. I've been toying with a test drive. Here's edmunds review. https://www.edmunds.com/honda/odyssey/2018/#edm-entry-pros-cons

(I am waiting for the PHEV hybrid Pacifica. If it appears to be deliverable in the next few months that's what I'll get, else will buy another Odyssey. The Odyssey is truly ugly, but is mechanically very solid.
 
Updated List of Affected Drivers

(Pertinent post numbers in parentheses following screen name.)

1. Laprincipessa (1, 14, 32)
- June 2016
- 1st time: 4K miles
- 2nd time: 11K miles
2. Kellyk82 (33, 171)
- LS purchased in May 2016
- 1st time: 7K miles
- 2nd time: 7200 miles
- no codes pulled
- case escalated, engineer from Detroit checked out vehicle
- ordered replacement of SCCM
3. Gratefulmom (35, 63)
- 4264 miles
- dealer pulled p018c code, replaced fuel sensor
4. Ricky Chihuahua (Facebook)
- 3x
- no codes pulled
- dealer told her to have it towed if it happened a third time
- happened the third time going 60 down the turnpike
- third dealership found faulty crank trigger and replaced, suspected a bad batch of crank triggers was the problem
5. Kelly Beradi (Facebook)
- 7500 miles
- no codes pulled, told to drive until it happens again
- case escalated
6. GSOPacifica (124)
- ESS
- 2500 miles
7. 123Pacifica (129)
- 5-10K miles
8. Skidflap (37, 118)
- dealer pulled codes
- replaced VRM
9. Kheath330 (182)
- 4500 miles
- 2x
10. Gibsonsean9 (189 - Parts Associate at Ohio dealership)
- problem sounds a bit different than others on thread (major power steering issues)
- vehicle also shuts off spontaneously - going in reverse, turning, in the rain
- can’t recreate problem
- Chrysler directed them to replace steering gear
- Possible future PDC swap?
11. Gteacher5 (191, 193)
- <6000 miles
- 2x
- dealer can’t recreate the problem, told to drive until it happens again
12. Amanda Andersen (Facebook)
- replaced PCM and TCM
13. Dsse1364
14. Clint Porterfield (Facebook)
- dealer said they fixed it, wouldn't say what was wrong and refused to document the problem
15. Amanda Nagel (Facebook)
16. Tuskwhite1 (203)
- incident occurred at stop light
- build date 4/2017
- blue light under “D” was blinking
- ESS light came on
17. F5VEGS (208)
- Limited
- 7500 miles
- incident occurred at 60 mph, no steering
- dealership could find no codes
18. Suzyq (210)
- LX (purchased in May 2016)
- 11,400 miles
19. dwsdms (221)
- Touring Plus
- vehicle shut off thee times
- 1st/2nd time: June 19th, 5,700 miles (once parked, once going 50 on highway)
- 3rd time: July 4th, 6,200 miles (20 mph in traffic)
- serviced June 20th, fuel rail sensor fixed but could not recreate shut-off
20. Momof5 (225, 230)
- Limited
- 1500 miles
- incident occurred at 40 mph
- “Shift to P to start” message
21. Lee2282 (249)
- incident occurred driving through neighborhood
- dealer could not recreate problem, recommended a system update to possibly fix the problem
22. Mbanks (262)
- Hybrid
- 500 miles at shutdown
- no codes pulled
- vehicle was able to restart following shut down (with Hybrid recall issue, vehicle will not restart)
23. Biuselectric (268, 275)
- 3 times (45 mph, parked, stoplight)
- no codes, can't reproduce
- dealer wants to install a macropod with $1500 deposit
24. Bhiggs72 (273)
- 2 times (stoplight, 70 mph)
25. Shelly Berman (280)
- highway speeds
26. Hector69 (282, 289, 293)
- 5300 miles
- stoplight
27. HappierwithHonda (288)
- 3500 miles
- heavy traffic, highway speeds
- no codes, couldn't recreate
- Chrysler said they haven't heard of this issue
- dealer threatened to report loaner as stolen
 
Just had the same shutoff problem happen. We have had the car for two weeks. Dealership couldn't find an issue. I'm going to demand they take it back. I will be damned if my pregnant wife and two small kids will be the accident that leads to a lawsuit and eventual recall. I've gone to Chrysler and am waiting feedback. Next I will take it to local media and blast the car and dealership if nothing is done.
 
Yes, @vjhansen! Also, please file with the NHTSA. 1-800-334-9200 (press 1, then 2) is the number I used to get my case escalated. They won't want to escalate it since it has only been to the shop once. Don't take no for an answer! PLEASE keep us updated. I'll add you to our growing list!
 
Just had the same shutoff problem happen. We have had the car for two weeks. Dealership couldn't find an issue. I'm going to demand they take it back. I will be damned if my pregnant wife and two small kids will be the accident that leads to a lawsuit and eventual recall. I've gone to Chrysler and am waiting feedback. Next I will take it to local media and blast the car and dealership if nothing is done.
What is your build date?
 
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