Coal is still cleaner than gas, if you factor in all the systems that get that gas into your tank. Funny the anti greeners always say that coal, transmission line inefficiency, battery manufacturing when factored into electric cars is more inefficient than gas. LOL. They never factor in how much stuff goes into oil. Go ahead and add the middle east wars to the price of gas and see how it compares to electricity. Not to mention, fracking, oil refining, transportation, MTBE additives.

 

Can you explain why the cost of any war should be considered in any green ness calculation? If we were to do that, we would have to include the cost of all the wars that defined the US boundaries and the safety of those boundries, like WW I, WW II, etc.

 

Look into the new Hyundai Ioniq. The base model gets 57 mpg city and 59 mpg highway. And it's a larger car than the Accent. I'm referring to the standard hybrid model, not the plug in.

 

It's not really the "cost of war." It's the cost for the Navy to safeguard the shipping of oil in the middle east. I think it's something like $50 billion per year. That cost should be added.

 

Do you have any data to back that $50 B number? With all the shale oil and other oil in the US we could become totally independent of middle East oil in short order. Looks like with our new President, that could happen in a couple of years.

 

Comparing the accent to the pacifica is off. A more reliable comparison will be the new Odyssey to the Pacifica. Also the type of driving is really going skew the results and will depend on a driver's specific habits. For me, daily errands in my suburb will be huge for me since most trips are going be less than 30 miles. That said when I plan to drive over a long distance at highway speeds, there shouldn't be much of a difference between a conventional gas engine.

 

I drive a Chevy Volt, and the answer to me is it depends on how you drive. Right now with my 100 mile a day commute and no plug on the job, I get 60mpg average. In two months my commute drops drastically and I'll never need gas except for out of the norm trips. Other cars can approach the 60mpg, but they're not as fun to drive, imo.

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Harry: Where did you find that?


Lloyd: Some kid back in town. Traded the van for it straight up. I can get 70 miles to the gallon on this hog.



Harry: Just when I thought you couldn’t possibly be any dumber, you go and do something like this… and totally redeem yourself!

 

Oops, correction,60 is my mpge (useless number) 93 is my mpg.

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Gas just went up to $1.21/L or $3.45US/gallon in Ontario. Since our government helped build this vehicle, one wonders if this isn't a coincidence or a sales push.

The case for the van is much stronger here than in most of the US - and it's all the price of gas that will motivate the majority.

 

Gas just went up to $1.21/L or $3.45US/gallon in Ontario. Since our government helped build this vehicle, one wonders if this isn't a coincidence or a sales push.

The Canadian government helps build Pacifica hybrids? I assume you're kidding about the price of gas going up as a sales push for this one particular vehicle?

 

i would say the cost of releasing CO2 etc right now is indefinite. Once released, one can't recapture it at any cost right now. it's not really a market if you just let the polluters to forego their cost to the rest of population (more to some than the others).

 

Did you ever notice that the right lanes, where the trucks drive, is a lot more beat up than the left lane, where the trucks aren't supposed to drive?

Damage to roadways from vehicles scales with the fourth power of axle load.

Car drivers pay much more for the road wear they cause than truck drivers do. In some sense, there is a subsidy from car drivers to truck drivers.

Hybrid/EV drivers, and drivers of cars getting good gas mileage, pay less subsidy than other car drivers. Maybe pure EV drivers should have to pay some kind of road tax.

Subsidies like this one to truck transport tend to encourage people to use things (trucks in this case) more than they would if the true cost were in the price. Setting up subsidies is a matter of social policy. I'm not really sure what good this subsidy does, but it's pricey, so I hope it's a lot of good.

 

What do you think a truck's licence fee is? If you know, what do you think it should be?

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That's true, and whenever I take a road trip using interstates, I see a ton of Weigh Stations. I'm sure that's some sort of fee for truck to compensate for the damage they do on the roads.

 

If they can't make the wait limit they get fined for the over weight. I some cases you may observe a trailer or two parked at the weigh station. They may have been denied to continue due to being grossly over weight or possibly a safety issue.